Parker/Tracy 32/24/16 Technique curriculum history

[Kirk]

Originally posted by cdhall
Sirs:

CoolKempoDude is an "anonymous" member of MartialTalk if you didn't notice.
Is is just me or do these anonymous members all tend to post stuff like this.

Irritating. This type of behaviour has kept me away recently. I think I'd prefer it if we all had to populate our profiles. But that is also off topic. I'll go post this idea somewhere else.

If ya ask me, to find the identity of CoolKempoDude, from
Broadford take the B8083 heading for Elgol. This is indeed a "long
and winding road" - take it slow, take it easy - enjoy the scenery.
When you reach Kilmarie take a left off the main road, signed to
Kilmarie Old Burial Ground. Park just around the corner by the
graveyard. Just back around the corner is a bridge over the
stream. Cross this and then head out along the coast. You'll need
to follow the coast path for about a mile and there he is.

 

[CoolKempoDude]

Originally posted by Goldendragon7


but rumors like this have no place on the net....... this is way off topic anyways. Take Doc's advice... and leave this kind of rubbish off line, no one wants to hear this stuff.

somebody here mentioned Bob White and HIS FORMER student told my friend what he saw in the parking lot at night.

I didn't realize that people here ONLY hear what they LIKE to hear. If that is the case, i will not post any more.

 

[cdhall]

Originally posted by CoolKempoDude
If it is true, what is wrong with me telling the truth ?

Dude:

I personally don't think there is anything wrong with telling the truth. However, even telling the truth will have a consequence and that consequence should be considered before telling such a truth. For example. your anecdote offered at least 3 distinct outcomes and probably more, but these should have occurred to you before you posted:

1. People would jump in and say "Amen, brother! I was there. I see it every night. Amazing isn't it? Who'd have thought."

2.Or "Ha, ha. Very funny Thank you."

3. "What are you talking about. I have known Mr. White for years and I have never heard anything like this. You are trying to start trouble. Someone should put you in your place."

And it appears that several of us opted for 3.

However, there is another underlying issue here that even the New York Times seems to disregard and that is the nature of "Truth."

Once upon a time, a journalist would not consider "reporting" something they could not verify. I think this basic principle used to be at least part of something called "journalistic integrity." I also thinkg that it was common not to intentionally represent fiction as fact.

I mention this only to illustrate that professional reporters used to consider what you were doing as wrong because not only are you not identified to us yourself, but your source is un-verifiable as well. So some of the things that could have irritated people like me on this website are:

1. You are gossiping for the sake of gossiping
2. You are smearing the reputation of a someone who at the very least is considered by many to be among "24 of the Most Prominent American Kenpoists of Today As told to Joe Hyams." As I believe it says on the cover of The Journey.

So what is wrong with your Truth is that by your own admission it may only be a rumor and no one here can check this out directly by verifying either the person who posted it or the person who originated the story.

We could of course call Mr. White and ask him about it, but the story does not merit being treated with that much credibility.

So those are my concerns with the potential outcomes of you telling the truth. You are gossiping and there are a few good examples in history as well as several admonishments in famous books that many of us have read that discourage gossip in general.

Now had you been gossiping about Punxsutawney Phil
http://www.punxsutawneyphil.com/
then maybe no one would have taken much notice. But you did not, you told an unflattering anecdote about a well-regarded Kenpoist and you did so from the shadows of anonymity. I hope this will help you understand why I for one took some exception to this post of yours.

:soapbox:

Now that I'm off my soapbox, let me say that I am not passing judgement on you personally but I hope you can see how you don't come off here in a very good light and I am offering you and others this feedback in the hopes that it will do some good to help avoid misunderstandings in the future.

Now I'll have to go back and look at the topic of this thread again. I'm pretty sure that somewhere Mr. Conatser has posted the approximate dates of the inception/use of the 32, 24 and 16 technique curriculums, but if he would post it here again I would be greatful myself. As well as what preceeded the 32 technique curriculum. As I understand it, it goes like this:

32 technique system, forms up to Short 3 until 196x
32 techniques per belt began 196x
24 techniques per belt introduced in 198x
16 techniques per belt introduced posthumously, never published by Mr. Parker but several seniors were working on them with Mr. Parker who intended to publishing it in the early 1990s, around 1991 or 1992 is my guess.

Wow. I only need about 4 more posts to make it to MartialTalk 3rd Black. I should have broken this up.

 

[Michael Billings]

KoolKenpoDude don't you see the potential harm you can cause by passing on a slanderous rumor? Your post about Mr. White is out of context and makes him appear like he is abusing his wife. This could be construed as an attempt to slam one of the true gentleman and Seniors in Kenpo today. Not to mention one of the best fighters in any tournament, or other setting ... bar none.

It is also hearsay, in fact in my profession it is triple hearsay with no indicia of reliability due to how far removed from the source it is. Basically just gossip!

This is so far off the topic as to be just plain silly. Get it back on course and you won't receive the responses you did from others.

In any event, it does not belong on this thread. And is much more like the type of speculation or rumors found on other Boards. You may not have posted or read MartialTalk enough to know that, but if so, you know it is Locker Room Talk, and even then, I personally would not say this about somebody without more proof.

Just my thoughts, not a Mod warning or anything, about being off topic ... YET!

 

[Seig]

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[Bob Hubbard]

Just piping in with a short note on 'profiles'

New members are required to fill out a name and location section that is only viewable by admins. The rest of the registration is optional.


That said, any questions on that policy please address in the support forum so we can return this thread to its original intent.

Thank you.
:asian:

 

[Nightingale]

Originally posted by CoolKempoDude
gee. I did use my REAL name to register but it doesn't show up in my profile for some reasons. Whatever it is, it's surely a good decision.

I like privacy. keep it that way


:soapbox:

There are two "name" and "Location" fields. One is public so everyone can see. Filling in that one is optional. One is private, and accessible only to forum administrators. Filling in that one is NOT optional.

 

[Nightingale]

Originally posted by CoolKempoDude
somebody here mentioned Bob White and HIS FORMER student told my friend what he saw in the parking lot at night.

I didn't realize that people here ONLY hear what they LIKE to hear. If that is the case, i will not post any more.

If you want to talk about Mr. White, that's fine, but talk about his Kenpo, not his personal life. We care about Mr. White's martial arts, not what takes place between himself and his wife.