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[Steve]

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010...eles_auto_show_plug_in_hybrid_cars/index.html

Interesting slide show, highlighting some other efforts.

Toyota's RAV4 EV could be a contender. Tesla and Toyota have been partnering up and that could be very interesting considering Toyota's marketshare and Tesla's experience with the Roadster.

The Buick Lacrosse hybrid looks cool. The Cadillac doesn't look like a small car, but I guess it's small for a Caddy. But seating 4 and getting over 55 mpg/city isn't bad at all. Infiniti's M hybrid is also a prelude to what I've heard is going to be an Infiniti M EV. It would be cool to get an EV that is also well appointed. As I said earlier, wanting to drive an EV doesn't necessarily mean I want to hug a tree or sit on recycled water bottles.

 

[David43515]

Not to beat a dead horse, but yeah smaller cars aren`t as safe because they have less mass and less space in the passenger compartment. Period.

I spent 2 years as a volunteer fireman/EMT before we moved back to Japan. I`ve been to lots of accident scenes, and treated alot of patients. Unless they roll, which is more an effect of speed than size, bigger is better. Little cars with no mass fold up tighter at lower speeds so we have to spend more time cutting the car apart before we can get you out and on your way to hospital. Yes, I`ve seen vans and SUVs roll (vans roll much easier) and had to search fields and ditches to make sure we found all the bodies. But I`ve spent 3+ hours at a shot cutting up a small car wedged under a semi in order to unfold it enough get bodies out. My advice? Be a victim, not a body. Get a pick-up truck, a big one so you`ve got mass and crumple room. Then put a trailer hitch on the back and a winch on the front whether you ever see yourself using them or not you`re extending your crumple zone out. The force it takes to crush them is force that isn`t being absorbed by the passenger compartment.

And as a personal favor, please keep your cars free of clutter. There`s nothing like having an unconcious driver whom you can`t question in a car with a child-seat with no child in sight....but childrens` shoes sticking out from under a seam where a crumpled dashboard is shoved to the floor. The relief you feel when you find out it IS just shoes doesn`t make up for the dread you feel while you`re rushing around cutting the car frame and setting up hydrolics to try and lift the dash.

I`m all for solar, wind farms,hydro-electric, and nuclear power. I`d love to see more railroad passenger service. Higher efficiency appliances are great. But please don`t tell me smaller cars are just as safe. My own eyes are much easier to believe. As for drilling in the gulf, the Great Lakes, and ANWAR I`m all for it. Just make sure they`re following all the required saftey procedures.

 

[billc]

thanks david, I had heard about the fact that smaller cars are not safer, that the lighter that a car is, the smaller a car is, the worse it is in a crash. Not having the immediate facts and statistics at hand, and not planning on doing a dissertation on the subject, I appreciate your experience as bad as it was. Thanks.

 

[Steve]

Not to beat a dead horse, but yeah smaller cars aren`t as safe because they have less mass and less space in the passenger compartment. Period.

I spent 2 years as a volunteer fireman/EMT before we moved back to Japan. I`ve been to lots of accident scenes, and treated alot of patients. Unless they roll, which is more an effect of speed than size, bigger is better. Little cars with no mass fold up tighter at lower speeds so we have to spend more time cutting the car apart before we can get you out and on your way to hospital. Yes, I`ve seen vans and SUVs roll (vans roll much easier) and had to search fields and ditches to make sure we found all the bodies. But I`ve spent 3+ hours at a shot cutting up a small car wedged under a semi in order to unfold it enough get bodies out. My advice? Be a victim, not a body. Get a pick-up truck, a big one so you`ve got mass and crumple room. Then put a trailer hitch on the back and a winch on the front whether you ever see yourself using them or not you`re extending your crumple zone out. The force it takes to crush them is force that isn`t being absorbed by the passenger compartment.

And as a personal favor, please keep your cars free of clutter. There`s nothing like having an unconcious driver whom you can`t question in a car with a child-seat with no child in sight....but childrens` shoes sticking out from under a seam where a crumpled dashboard is shoved to the floor. The relief you feel when you find out it IS just shoes doesn`t make up for the dread you feel while you`re rushing around cutting the car frame and setting up hydrolics to try and lift the dash.

I`m all for solar, wind farms,hydro-electric, and nuclear power. I`d love to see more railroad passenger service. Higher efficiency appliances are great. But please don`t tell me smaller cars are just as safe. My own eyes are much easier to believe. As for drilling in the gulf, the Great Lakes, and ANWAR I`m all for it. Just make sure they`re following all the required saftey procedures.

If you read through the thread, no one (that I'm aware of) has said that in a crash, a small car is as safe as a larger car. What I did challenge is the assertion that small cars cause more crashes, which is a pretty stupid thing to say.

I also said and still believe that the single most important safety feature in any car is an alert driver who is driving defensively.

 

[billc]

I guess writing master that I could have more accurately written that they result in more traffic fatalities or some such description. You should chill out. It is a martial arts forum. Try not to be so uptight.

 

[CanuckMA]

This is a forum where we communicate. Clarity of thought is of prime importance for proper communication. We can only comment on what is written, not what was intended.

 

[Steve]

I guess writing master that I could have more accurately written that they result in more traffic fatalities or some such description. You should chill out. It is a martial arts forum. Try not to be so uptight.

I'll chill out when you take some responsibility for your own words. It's a forum, where people communicate in writing. Unless English is not your native lanaguage, I can only take you at your word, literally.

There was misunderstanding and it needed to be cleared up. David thought that people were suggesting smaller cars were as safe as larger cars in an accident. I didn't write that, and I'm pretty sure that no one else did, too.

 

[billc]

Yes, I understand that we are trying to solve the problems of world hunger, war, and the eternal conflict of which is better coke or pepsi, on this forum but Canuck, Bjj, I once again say chill out and get a grip. If you don't like my posts, be adults, and ignore them. Life is too short to deal with people like you Bjj. Don't force me to wish you the the cornfield with Elder999.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Guys, be nice eh? Thanks.

 

[CanuckMA]

We are being nice. It's hard to have a discussion when halfway through one of the party says "it may have been what I wrote, but that's not what I meant". We can only debate what we read.

And I'd be more than fine to share the cornfield with somebody as intelligent as Elder999.

 

[Steve]

We are being nice. It's hard to have a discussion when halfway through one of the party says "it may have been what I wrote, but that's not what I meant". We can only debate what we read.

And I'd be more than fine to share the cornfield with somebody as intelligent as Elder999.

qft

 

[Steve]

Yes, I understand that we are trying to solve the problems of world hunger, war, and the eternal conflict of which is better coke or pepsi, on this forum but Canuck, Bjj, I once again say chill out and get a grip. If you don't like my posts, be adults, and ignore them. Life is too short to deal with people like you Bjj. Don't force me to wish you the the cornfield with Elder999.

Cornfield? I can only hope.

When you intentionally misrepresent a position, confuse an issue or say things that are unclear, I'll correct your mistakes or try to clear things up as I can. Your intentional sarcasm and general snarky tone aren't helping you.

 

[elder999]

We are being nice. It's hard to have a discussion when halfway through one of the party says "it may have been what I wrote, but that's not what I meant". We can only debate what we read.

And I'd be more than fine to share the cornfield with somebody as intelligent as Elder999.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, you guys.....

"Cornfield?" more like the digital equivalent of a petulant child, with a full diaper and way past the age of potty-training, fingers in ears, shouting, "La, la, la! I can't hear you!"

meh.

 

[billc]

Stevebjj, I have been polite. I asked you to ignore my posts. Now that I have been polite, I am now going to be helpful. Bj, may I call you Bj, why all the anger. I ask this as a freind here on martial talk, are you on steroids? I ask this only because it might explain the anger. Dude, if you are on that stuff, you have to stop. It makes your you know whats get smaller. Also, I have to say maybe you aren't cut out for Brazilian Jujutsu. Apparently, all those elbows, and punches to the head haven't been good for you. The choking off of your blood supply to your brain hasn't helped either. Come on man, you are killing off brain cells you obviously cannot afford to lose. I recommend you take Tai Chi instead. It will relax you and the way it emphasizes good posture will help to. With practice you will eventually be able to stand upright, which has the added benefit of getting your knuckles off the ground.

While you wait to start your first tai chi class why don't you and your girlfriends rent "Eat, Pray, Love," curl each others hair and have a good cry. That could help a lot as well.

Please, stop reading my posts, they just annoy you and life is too short for that. Don't you think. I will await the moderators intervention.

 

[granfire]

Stevebjj, I have been polite. I asked you to ignore my posts. Now that I have been polite, I am now going to be helpful. Bj, may I call you Bj, why all the anger. I ask this as a freind here on martial talk, are you on steroids? I ask this only because it might explain the anger. Dude, if you are on that stuff, you have to stop. It makes your you know whats get smaller. Also, I have to say maybe you aren't cut out for Brazilian Jujutsu. Apparently, all those elbows, and punches to the head haven't been good for you. The choking off of your blood supply to your brain hasn't helped either. Come on man, you are killing off brain cells you obviously cannot afford to lose. I recommend you take Tai Chi instead. It will relax you and the way it emphasizes good posture will help to. With practice you will eventually be able to stand upright, which has the added benefit of getting your knuckles off the ground.

While you wait to start your first tai chi class why don't you and your girlfriends rent "Eat, Pray, Love," curl each others hair and have a good cry. That could help a lot as well.

Please, stop reading my posts, they just annoy you and life is too short for that. Don't you think. I will await the moderators intervention.

Inappropriate.

 

[Steve]

Stevebjj, I have been polite. I asked you to ignore my posts. Now that I have been polite, I am now going to be helpful. Bj, may I call you Bj, why all the anger. I ask this as a freind here on martial talk, are you on steroids? I ask this only because it might explain the anger. Dude, if you are on that stuff, you have to stop. It makes your you know whats get smaller. Also, I have to say maybe you aren't cut out for Brazilian Jujutsu. Apparently, all those elbows, and punches to the head haven't been good for you. The choking off of your blood supply to your brain hasn't helped either. Come on man, you are killing off brain cells you obviously cannot afford to lose. I recommend you take Tai Chi instead. It will relax you and the way it emphasizes good posture will help to. With practice you will eventually be able to stand upright, which has the added benefit of getting your knuckles off the ground.

While you wait to start your first tai chi class why don't you and your girlfriends rent "Eat, Pray, Love," curl each others hair and have a good cry. That could help a lot as well.

Please, stop reading my posts, they just annoy you and life is too short for that. Don't you think. I will await the moderators intervention.

you think I'm angry with you? that's funny.
As for being cut out for BJJ, I'm sure you're right. You are welcome to come train with us anytime, but I'd recommend leaving the sarcasm at the door. Whether you agree or not, most people consider that rude.

 

[elder999]

Stevebjj, I have been polite. I asked you to ignore my posts. Now that I have been polite, I am now going to be helpful. Bj, may I call you Bj, why all the anger. I ask this as a freind here on martial talk, are you on steroids? I ask this only because it might explain the anger. Dude, if you are on that stuff, you have to stop. It makes your you know whats get smaller. Also, I have to say maybe you aren't cut out for Brazilian Jujutsu. Apparently, all those elbows, and punches to the head haven't been good for you. The choking off of your blood supply to your brain hasn't helped either. Come on man, you are killing off brain cells you obviously cannot afford to lose. I recommend you take Tai Chi instead. It will relax you and the way it emphasizes good posture will help to. With practice you will eventually be able to stand upright, which has the added benefit of getting your knuckles off the ground.

While you wait to start your first tai chi class why don't you and your girlfriends rent "Eat, Pray, Love," curl each others hair and have a good cry. That could kkhelp a lot as well.

Please, stop reading my posts, they just annoy you and life is too short for that. Don't you think. I will await the moderators Intervention.

....and now he reaches into that diaper, and smears all over the walls......
......and himself! :lfao:

 

[MJS]

Folks,

Can we stop with the shots back and forth please. Use the ignore feature if you dont want to see someones posts.

 

[Blade96]

small cars, big cars. i don't care. Just make em more environmentally friendly. :angel:

 

[billc]

If they made an electiric car that had the same properties that a gas fueled car has, at the same price range then they would fly out of the dealerships. The technology isn't there yet and won't be for a long time. I'm all for any technology that is more efficient. If we could harvest candy canes and use them for fuel that would be fine by me.