Obama to end Don't Ask, Don't Tell
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One of the original reasons for discrimination against homosexuals was that they were subject to blackmail if anyone found out about their sexual orientation. I'm glad that that is no longer a general concern.
I'm not in favor of social engineering via the military, but looking at the number of states that have passed gay marriage/civil union laws, and the number of companies offering domestic partner benefits, the point is, the military may now be falling behind society.
I'm not in favor of social engineering via the military, but looking at the number of states that have passed gay marriage/civil union laws, and the number of companies offering domestic partner benefits, the point is, the military may now be falling behind society.
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everywhere else, every single time, it gets voted down
which i also think is crap. let them get married, let the poly's get married too. doesnt bother me
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i LOVE THAT PICTURE!!!!
Well it was a good try to lighten the atmosphere wasn't it?
British pancakes are more like crepes, and served for dessert, or as part of a dinner, rather than breakfast.
They have pancakes similar to ours in other parts of Europe and Great Britain, they call them "griddle cakes" or some kind of scone, and I think they do have them for breakfast-I know that I did in Scotland, and they weren't bad, though they don't have maple syrup; they use jam.....
Bunnies, of course, are almost everywhere....:lfao:
A lot of people have the idea in this forum that not wanting openly gay people in the miltary is the same as not wanting racial minorities and the like in the military. I understand the arguement, but I think there is a difference. Homosexuality is a behavior, race is not. And while it could be argued that one doesn't choose his sexuality (Like any major public University's psychology department, thinking University of Washington for certain from personal knowledge) acting it out in a way that makes it clear you are a homosexual to everyone around you and offending people is definitely a choice. When in the military be quiet about your sexual orientation if its homosexual. It's a conservative organization, very macho, especially in branches like the Marine Corps. Just be quiet about it, not to hard to do I say.
I think your heart is in the right place, but your view on homosexuality is not.
Not all homosexuals fit the common stereotypes we see in our media. Most certainly most homosexuals in the military, as well as any other field of study or work, don't act out on their sexual urges at work, because like the rest of humanity, they're decent human beings with respect for others.
Besides, there are some VERY macho gay males out there in the same respect that there are some VERY effeminate straight guys out there (think "metrosexual").
I think that to deny someone entrance to the military because of their homosexuality is wrong in the same way that denying someone entrance to the military because of their skin color is wrong. That's because that's a fundamental element as to who that person is. It's not a compulsive action or predatory nature that needs to be squashed; it's just that person.
We didn't have rabbits in this country until the Normans brought them over after the Norman conquest. They were brought over and bred for food.
Griddle cakes are made by cooking on a griddle or flat pan similiar to a heavy frying pan on the top of a stove. The Scots will eat all sorts of things for breakfast, black pudding is one of the best!
It may be the history of our armed forces that enable it to absorb people of any type easily. The army was thought to be the scum of the earth until relatively recently. It wasn't a respectable thing to be in unless one was an officer. Until the late 1960s it was common for judges to give someone found guilty of a crime to be given the choice of prison or the army. The Navy is very old of course going way back to 900CE so there's little thats new to it, the RAF had women in from the very first day and has always been technical minded rather than discipline mad so it's a easy place to work if you are 'different', I know a chap, died recently, who was gay but had been an RAF pilot during the war and won the DFC. We owe him much. Did his fellow aircrew know he was gay? I don't know but do you think it would have mattered really if they had, life expectancy was 87 flying hours and priorities were sorted very quickly. It would have been a luxury that would have to wait for peacetime to worry whether fellow piolts fancied men or women, they'd be lucky if as many of them were only 19 or so if they ever found out what their sexuality was.
Joab: Again, the military is not an institution conducive to individuality. It is a place to conform and be a team player. The person may very well have a certain sexual orientation, but he can keep quiet about it. And he or she should if they are in the military.
Regarding race, in the marine corps everyone is the same color green. In the same way everyone should at least act straight.
I understand completely. The military is certainly not the place to be an individual.
What I'm trying to say is that homosexuals can and do "act right" in today's military.
However, don't military members go out and party like normal people? Fraternization is a common practice in the military (Just like college, but with uniforms). Airman1 can and will (due to alcohol/hormones/loneliness) hook up with Airman2. Does it really matter if they're both male? It's certainly okay if it's a straight couple. Would that fall into "acting right"?
What I'm trying to say is that homosexuals can and do "act right" in today's military.
However, don't military members go out and party like normal people? Fraternization is a common practice in the military (Just like college, but with uniforms). Airman1 can and will (due to alcohol/hormones/loneliness) hook up with Airman2. Does it really matter if they're both male? It's certainly okay if it's a straight couple. Would that fall into "acting right"?
That's an understatement! Yes, in the macho, military enviroenment service members go out and party and fraternize and let loose with their heterosexual urges, no doubt about it. But I still think homosexuals in the military should be quiet about it. I think we will have to agree to disagree agreeably on this issue, have a nice day.
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