MMA is the fad right now I believe

[jezr74]

We don't because we don't have the syllabus trained guys. To a certain degree. (we are a small club in a rural town) but for those that do. They absolutely train the systems.

So when our judo guy actually turns up for example. It is gi on bow in and do judo. It is not mma no gi judo throws.

I guess my understanding of what MMA is conceptually may be wrong. You literally do a mixture of different styles depending on the teacher and night?

Where I was thinking MMA was a coach that would teach strikes, kicks, grapple etc. based on what would work in the context of a cage\ring etc. Whether that coach had a background in a particular arts was irrelevant, but you would get the benefits of that knowledge.

 

[drop bear]

I guess my understanding of what MMA is conceptually may be wrong. You literally do a mixture of different styles depending on the teacher and night?

Where I was thinking MMA was a coach that would teach strikes, kicks, grapple etc. based on what would work in the context of a cage\ring etc. Weather that caoch had a background in a particular arts was irrelevant, but you would get the benefits of that knowledge.

It is a common misconception because it is not intuitive. I had to have it pointed out to me because i hadn't really noticed.

But quite basically people who compete no gi. Train in gi. We are talking full time professional fighters.

And once you start noticing that,the rest falls in to place.

 

[jezr74]

It is a common misconception because it is not intuitive. I had to have it pointed out to me because i hadn't really noticed.

But quite basically people who compete no gi. Train in gi. We are talking full time professional fighters.

And once you start noticing that,the rest falls in to place.

Kinda lost me there.

Do you learn a mixture of complete MAs, or MA made up of a mixture of other MAs techniques?

 

[Drose427]

Kinda lost me there.

Do you learn a mixture of complete MAs, or MA made up of a mixture of other MAs techniques?

How many MMA gyms work is this:

They'll have at least 2-3 Instructors, Usually many more to accommodate more students

You'll Train Kickboxing or Muay Thai on mondays and wednesdays

Tues/Thurs/Fri you'll roll.

Our local gym breaks it down even more

Want BJJ? You have to choose one of the programs (no gi, competition, SD, MMA, etc.) or bundle a couple for extra.

Want International Kickboxing? You train with the Kickboxing instructor

Want MMA? You do both (at added costs)

edit: You train whatever for what you want to compete in. It's very much like college in that you have different instructors for different courses and you take what you need

 

[drop bear]

Kinda lost me there.

Do you learn a mixture of complete MAs, or MA made up of a mixture of other MAs techniques?

both. You basically train twice as much.

 

[drop bear]

both. You basically train twice as much.

master of all trades. Because to fight and win you have to be.

 

[Hanzou]

I'm sure there's many out there who wish it was a fad and go away.

Sucks for them.

MMA changed martial arts for the better IMHO.

 

[jezr74]

Right, strange how you can take an assumption with you for years. Since I've always seen places that teach multiple martial arts for many, many years, I've always though that "MMA" was a hybrid MA. I have a number of guys at work that fight amateur promotions and they have said they only drill bits an pieces from no particular style, or they have no idea what the origins are since they have no interest in it beyond the physical. I've never thought to question the detail about it.

 

[jezr74]

MMA changed martial arts for the better IMHO.

I think it's these comments that confuse me when on these topics, this makes me think of MMA as a hybrid style that is new. Where others are saying it's a club that teaches many styles. Which is not unique IMO.

 

[drop bear]

I'm sure there's many out there who wish it was a fad and go away.

Sucks for them.

MMA changed martial arts for the better IMHO.

MMA. Makes traditional styles better. And that is what is really going to bite.

Because suddenly in your bjj club you get a mmaer who wrestles or. Judos, it doesn't matter. Because now your bjj has to man up and counter that either with better bjj or something else. And now that bjj can counter wrestling,mma has to counter bjj.

Our karate guys are becoming dangerous boxers. Because the first thing we did was apply ,karate does not punch face so punch face. And it worked for a while.

Now it doesn't and we eat head kicks.

 

[drop bear]

Right, strange how you can take an assumption with you for years. Since I've always seen places that teach multiple martial arts for many, many years, I've always though that "MMA" was a hybrid MA. I have a number of guys at work that fight amateur promotions and they have said they only drill bits an pieces from no particular style, or they have no idea what the origins are since they have no interest in it beyond the physical. I've never thought to question the detail about it.

The thing is i cant train with the best guys if i cant at least approximate what they do.

gsp recently got in john Wayne parr to spar with. They sparred kickboxing because it is pointless to spar mma with a champion Thai fighter.

If i went and found a champion wrestler and punched him in the mouth he would tell me to get lost and i would gain nothing. Where i could learn wrestling.

 

[jezr74]

MMA. Makes traditional styles better. And that is what is really going to bite.

Because suddenly in your bjj club you get a mmaer who wrestles or. Judos, it doesn't matter. Because now your bjj has to man up and counter that either with better bjj or something else. And now that bjj can counter wrestling,mma has to counter bjj.

Our karate guys are becoming dangerous boxers. Because the first thing we did was apply ,karate does not punch face so punch face. And it worked for a while.

Now it doesn't and we eat head kicks.

I can't see it making any style better or worse, newer or older. Just the practitioner will get the benefits of more options and selection available to them. But don't want to see this thread go down another rabbit hole on that segue.

Definitely got some more questions for my friends at work next time I see them.

 

[drop bear]

Just the practitioner will get the benefits of more options and selection available to them

That is enough to make a style better.

 

[Andrew Green]

master of all trades. Because to fight and win you have to be.

More like learn something about everything, and everything about something. All of the top competitors are good at just about everything, but are only really "great" at a handful of things that they do to everyone. Doesn't mean they can't do other things, just that they don't specialize in them to the same degree.

They will also bring in specialists to fine tune specific things. If your takedown defence needs work you might go work with a wrestling coach. But in the end it has all got to be viewed through a MMA filter. As I said before, certain things just don't work in MMA. You don't go learn low singles or spider guard for MMA. You don't go working really deep bobbing and weaving for MMA. But in any sport, competitors tend to specialize in certain aspects.

 

[Buka]

I think when most people think of MMA, they think of MMA style competition in a cage. Which is what I think of. I think we've come to a point where gyms open that specialize in MMA, and train in a cage. There has to be different instructors for it to work....right now. Fifty years from now there will be folks who grew up in MMA and will probably have a greater grasp on teaching all of it. But they'll still bring in people who specialize in the various aspects and nuances of open fighting.

I think the notoriety of MMA, especially it's massive television exposure and publicity, has helped the Martial Arts world more than anything in my lifetime. I thank Art Davie (put on the first UFC) and Dana White for that.

 

[RTKDCMB]

MMA. Makes traditional styles better.

Traditional styles makes MMA better. Someone had to say it, and all I had to do was rearrange some words.

 

[jezr74]

I happened across this sticky thread in the MMA section. It kind of contradicts what we are talking about here, but describes it more as a hybrid style with components picked from different arts or created to suit the area it is to work in. So is there possible two camps of thought on this?

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[jezr74]

MMA. Makes traditional styles better.

Traditional styles makes MMA better.

Combine these two and I'm in agreement.

 

[drop bear]

Traditional styles makes MMA better. Someone had to say it, and all I had to do was rearrange some words.

Yes but that was pretty obvious. Of course mma is seeking out good stylists to help their game. Hence the mixed bit.

 

[drop bear]

More like learn something about everything, and everything about something. All of the top competitors are good at just about everything, but are only really "great" at a handful of things that they do to everyone. Doesn't mean they can't do other things, just that they don't specialize in them to the same degree.

They will also bring in specialists to fine tune specific things. If your takedown defence needs work you might go work with a wrestling coach. But in the end it has all got to be viewed through a MMA filter. As I said before, certain things just don't work in MMA. You don't go learn low singles or spider guard for MMA. You don't go working really deep bobbing and weaving for MMA. But in any sport, competitors tend to specialize in certain aspects.

but a good mma guy should be able to wrestle an elite wrestler. Mabye not win but at least hold their ground. And without resorting to bitching about not being allowed to throw punches.

They may not have to be able to do low singles but they have to be able to do something. At least defend it.

Because there is nothing stopping someone from doing a low single. Or spider guard.

Ben Askren does low singles by the way.