mma is a made up martial art.

[Transk53]

Clicky

 

[Tony Dismukes]

MMA 'for the street' oh my days, now I've heard everything.

It's hardly a novel idea.

I don't compete in MMA, but when I drop in on our gyms MMA classes, I do it to sharpen my combative/self-defense skills.

Burt Richardson's take on JKD is essentially MMA for the streets.

We had a member join recently who just started training at a gym where only a minority of the students compete and the rest do it for self-defense or exercise.

Drop bear has mentioned multiple times that he doesn't train for competition.

 

[Tez3]

didn't seem to want to load.

mabye if you explain it in your own words

The bit about Judo etc is on the original link I put up, that last was another bit for you not to read and ask questions about.

 

[Tez3]

It's hardly a novel idea.

I don't compete in MMA, but when I drop in on our gyms MMA classes, I do it to sharpen my combative/self-defense skills.

Burt Richardson's take on JKD is essentially MMA for the streets.

We had a member join recently who just started training at a gym where only a minority of the students compete and the rest do it for self-defense or exercise.

Drop bear has mentioned multiple times that he doesn't train for competition.

I agree with Geoff Thompson about martial arts, self defence and sports styles. 'Street' MMA is not what he teaches however drop bear might wish to be associated with it.

 

[drop bear]

I agree with Geoff Thompson about martial arts, self defence and sports styles. 'Street' MMA is not what he teaches however drop bear might wish to be associated with it.

i haven't trained with Geoff Thompson. I do agree that a system has to be trained with resistance.

mma if made up from the crucible of resistance.

 

[Hanzou]

Clicky

Well, he's clearly trying to sell some DVDs with that tripe.

 

[punisher73]

so you would be able to find another style that has comprehensive tactics for pinning someone against a cage.

So, now we are changing the definition to "comprehensive tactics" as opposed to the previous argument that the diverse set of tactics can be found in already established styles.

Yes, there are tactics found in various styles working with "boundaries". Wrestlers will work towards getting out of bounds to break the action, they will also work to getting it into the middle to keep the action going. Boxers are well known for working the corners and ropes, both escaping and placing an opponent.

I have read many other traditional arts also putting students up against the wall both standing and from the ground to work to get back up and escape.

Growing up, saw fights happen where people both used the fence/wall/lockers to hold onto and stomp a person as well as using to hold onto to try and get back up. Also, pushing them into the wall etc. to pound on them.

Again, these tactics aren't "new". There is nothing magical about a fence that people haven't thought about before and practiced. Does MMA have a "one stop shoppping" method for many of these tactics because they are applicable to their rules? Yes! But, go back to PrideFC and it's use of "MMA" and you won't find a single person training to hold someone up against a fence. Why? Their rules and venue didn't have it. Just like if you look at UFC fighters, you won't find a single person training to stomp kick a downed opponent in the cage. Why? Their rules don't allow it.

 

[Tez3]

Well, he's clearly trying to sell some DVDs with that tripe.

Gosh your training and experience must be sooo much better than Geoffs, I mean what on earth would he know eh.

 

[drop bear]

So, now we are changing the definition to "comprehensive tactics" as opposed to the previous argument that the diverse set of tactics can be found in already established styles.

Yes, there are tactics found in various styles working with "boundaries". Wrestlers will work towards getting out of bounds to break the action, they will also work to getting it into the middle to keep the action going. Boxers are well known for working the corners and ropes, both escaping and placing an opponent.

I have read many other traditional arts also putting students up against the wall both standing and from the ground to work to get back up and escape.

Growing up, saw fights happen where people both used the fence/wall/lockers to hold onto and stomp a person as well as using to hold onto to try and get back up. Also, pushing them into the wall etc. to pound on them.

Again, these tactics aren't "new". There is nothing magical about a fence that people haven't thought about before and practiced. Does MMA have a "one stop shoppping" method for many of these tactics because they are applicable to their rules? Yes! But, go back to PrideFC and it's use of "MMA" and you won't find a single person training to hold someone up against a fence. Why? Their rules and venue didn't have it. Just like if you look at UFC fighters, you won't find a single person training to stomp kick a downed opponent in the cage. Why? Their rules don't allow it.

so you are suggesting the martial art is made up to suit the competition.

 

[Hanzou]

Gosh your training and experience must be sooo much better than Geoffs, I mean what on earth would he know eh.

Sorry if I'm not willing to buy into the notion that "everything sucks except my system of self defense that you can learn for the low price of $150.00".

 

[Tez3]

Sorry if I'm not willing to buy into the notion that everything sucks except my system of self defense that you can learn for the low price of $150.00

LOL, you don't know who he is do you? Nor do you know anything about how Geoff thinks about martial arts which is a shame because he's a keen grappler, loves his Judo and doesn't have a system of self defence.

 

[Hanzou]

LOL, you don't know who he is do you? Nor do you know anything about how Geoff thinks about martial arts which is a shame because he's a keen grappler, loves his Judo and doesn't have a system of self defence.

Really? That's not how he's pushing his merchandise;

Geoff Thompson.com DVD MA and SD

This one's a real gem;

Dead Or Alive The Choice Is Yours The Definitive Self-Protection Handbook Geoff Thompson 9780873649148 Amazon.com Books

The choice is mine eh?

 

[Tez3]

Really? That's not how he's pushing his merchandise;

Geoff Thompson.com DVD MA and SD

You still don't know who he is though or how he thinks about martial arts and self defence. You seem quite happy with other peoples DVDs as long as they are BJJ ones, even belt gradings online as I remember.

 

[drop bear]

You still don't know who he is though or how he thinks about martial arts and self defence. You seem quite happy with other peoples DVDs as long as they are BJJ ones, even belt gradings online as I remember.

he didn't like the online belt grading's

 

[Hanzou]

You still don't know who he is though or how he thinks about martial arts and self defence. You seem quite happy with other peoples DVDs as long as they are BJJ ones, even belt gradings online as I remember.

Did you read post #141? Basically everyone has it wrong and we need to learn Thompson's system or we're going to get rocked "in da streetz".

Typical RSBD nonsense.

BTW, my thoughts on online Bjj belts;

Blue belt second stripe....Online MartialTalk.Com - Friendly Martial Arts Forum Community

 

[Tony Dismukes]

I agree with Geoff Thompson about martial arts, self defence and sports styles. 'Street' MMA is not what he teaches however drop bear might wish to be associated with it.

I'll take your word regarding what Mr. Thompson teaches, since I don't know the man (other than reading a few articles.) Regardless, there are plenty of people out there who do train MMA as a foundation for street combative skills rather than for competition. You may not favor it for that purpose. That's fine. There are plenty of martial arts schools of different styles marketing themselves as training for the street which I don't think do a good job for that purpose. Still, the idea of training MMA for street combative purposes isn't some crazy delusional idea that drop bear dreamed up all on his lonesome.

 

[drop bear]

Not just MMA, but 'street' MMA lol. You said that's what Geoff does, but if he believes in not grappling it's not going to be 'MMA' is it lol.

i am lost. He is a keen grappler.but believes in not grappling and then sells videos on grappling. Like arm bar finishers and fighting off your back.


have i missed something?

 

[Tez3]

Oh of course it's nonsense isn't it, what on earth could anyone with forty odd years of experience on the doors, doing martial arts etc have to teach someone like you? why would anyone want to do RBSD when they could do....>drumroll<....... BJJ!.
How could we be all be so naïve, so gauche as to think we could ever defend ourselves without knowing BJJ? I'm about to faint with embarrassment at the fact I took up BJJ so late in life ( yes I do actually train BJJ, isn't that a shocker) and didn't do it when I was younger...oh wait it wasn't around when I was younger, no one trained it. That must be why it works so well, it's the new improved recipe martial arts! Wow.

 

[Tez3]

You're doing a good job boys...countdown to thread being locked starts now.......

 

[drop bear]

Oh of course it's nonsense isn't it, what on earth could anyone with forty odd years of experience on the doors, doing martial arts etc have to teach someone like you? why would anyone want to do RBSD when they could do....>drumroll<....... BJJ!.
How could we be all be so naïve, so gauche as to think we could ever defend ourselves without knowing BJJ? I'm about to faint with embarrassment at the fact I took up BJJ so late in life ( yes I do actually train BJJ, isn't that a shocker) and didn't do it when I was younger...oh wait it wasn't around when I was younger, no one trained it. That must be why it works so well, it's the new improved recipe martial arts! Wow.

obviously not Geoff Thompson.

double leg over arm bar for self defence.

i think him and hazou would be friends. I would get shot if i jumped off mount so mabye he wouldn't like me so much.