mma is a made up martial art.

[Tony Dismukes]

Did you read post #141? Basically everyone has it wrong and we need to learn Thompson's system or we're going to get rocked "in da streetz".

I just read through the linked article, and I don't think that's at all what he's saying.

He's saying that self-defense is 95% about avoiding confrontations and fights, and if a physical confrontation is inevitable, then a pre-emptive strike is the best option. I've got no problem with that.

Mind you, I'm not sure how that ties in with selling 4 DVDs worth of material on ground fighting for the streets with an emphasis on submissions rather than escaping to the feet. Maybe his position on the matter has evolved.

 

[drop bear]

I just read through the linked article, and I don't think that's at all what he's saying.

He's saying that self-defense is 95% about avoiding confrontations and fights, and if a physical confrontation is inevitable, then a pre-emptive strike is the best option. I've got no problem with that.

Mind you, I'm not sure how that ties in with selling 4 DVDs worth of material on ground fighting for the streets with an emphasis on submissions rather than escaping to the feet. Maybe his position on the matter has evolved.

would we say escaping to the feet is a bit of a made up mma thing though?

 

[Steve]

I think this is an interesting discussion, and would hate to see the thread locked.

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[drop bear]

I think this is an interesting discussion, and would hate to see the thread locked.

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it was worth it just find out Geoff Thompson loves the grapple.

 

[Hanzou]

I just read through the linked article, and I don't think that's at all what he's saying.

He's saying that self-defense is 95% about avoiding confrontations and fights, and if a physical confrontation is inevitable, then a pre-emptive strike is the best option. I've got no problem with that.

This part in particular in part one;

When people talk martial art they think that they are automatically talking self defence but they are not. And when they talk self defence they believe that it is synonymous with martial art. Again, it is not. The two are very different, and they should be separated and taught as such.

There is nothing wrong with sport martial art, I love it, I am a big fan. And recreational training is better than no training at all. But if people are ever to survive a violent encounter on the pavement arena, it is imperative that they learn to distinguish between the two.

If you train twice a week in martial arts and think you are a serious player in self defence you’ll be in for a big shock when it kicks off outside the chippy on a Friday night. If your penchant is for sport martial arts (and all that it entails) and you think it automatically translates to the street you too will be in big trouble when the pub-warrior breaks your rules and twats you while your un-zipped at the communal troth, or turns up for round two at your work or your home with a hammer and a bad intent.

I must stipulate that I am not having a go at traditional arts, at sport or at the recreational player. I have a deep love for MA and for its practitioners but mine is the reality game so I have to honour the truth above all else. And my truth is not based on theory of folk law or how well I can make it happen in the dojo, it is based on vast experience in all things real. I have hurt many people to acquire this information over a long period of time. I am not proud of that. But I do hope that the reader might learn from my knowledge, so that they do not become a victim of violent crime, or the next digit on a home office statistic about unsolicited assault. Because it is not bad technique or even bad teaching that gets people killed in street encounters, it is denial.

People are in denial. With their art, with their ability and with reality its self.

All of that just rubbed me the wrong way. I abhor people using scare tactics to sell things.

Mind you, I'm not sure how that ties in with selling 4 DVDs worth of material on ground fighting for the streets with an emphasis on submissions rather than escaping to the feet. Maybe his position on the matter has evolved.

Doubtful, since he has several books on ground grappling and submissions.

 

[Tez3]

I just read through the linked article, and I don't think that's at all what he's saying.

He's saying that self-defense is 95% about avoiding confrontations and fights, and if a physical confrontation is inevitable, then a pre-emptive strike is the best option. I've got no problem with that.

Mind you, I'm not sure how that ties in with selling 4 DVDs worth of material on ground fighting for the streets with an emphasis on submissions rather than escaping to the feet. Maybe his position on the matter has evolved.

The DVDs are videos recording the course he ran not the course themselves. I don't know why your link comes up as 'ground fighting' because it isn't. The other videos on armlocks etc are used by MMA fighters, BJJers and Judoka. He doesn't just teach SD but has a keen interest in karate, MMA well most styles really.

"So I wanted to capture the masterclass on film because I know that for every person that attended this course there were many who were too late, or simply didn't get to hear about it. If you are one of those people, or if you are simply someone that wants to get ahead of the crowd and excel, then this is a unique opportunity for you to learn what I taught on the masterclass at a fraction of the price of attending.
Through this professionally shot recording of the programme, you'll get a front row seat as the masterclass unfolds over a 6 month period. And because it's on DVD, you can watch again and again. I know you're going to pick up new things with each viewing."

 

[Tez3]

I'm betting that if I said Geoff was pants you'd have fawning been all over him like a tramp on chips. ROFLMAO

 

[drop bear]

I'm betting that if I said Geoff was pants you'd have fawning been all over him like a tramp on chips. ROFLMAO

well i for one think he is pants.


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[punisher73]

so you are suggesting the martial art is made up to suit the competition.

I'm not suggesting it, I am stating it and have stated it since my original post. What we see as "mixed martial arts" is influenced by the UFC and it's rules. If you watch the older Pride fights, you will see a difference in tactics/strategies and even techniques.

Look at the evolution of what you see, there are many things that were labeled "ineffective" until you see a fighter use them, then suddenly more and more people start implementing it into their mix. Or with a rule change, you no longer see those techniques anymore (descending elbows, stomp kicks, small joint manipulations, etc.)

Even now, you will see fighters from other backgrounds bring certain elements into MMA that they can pull off. Machida, for example, with his jumping double kick from Chinto Kata to KO Randy Couture, or David Lousiseu (sp?) with his spinning back kicks from TKD to KO opponents. So, the label "mixed martial arts" isn't an all encompassing label for a system of martial arts. It is a label for tactics/strategies/techniques that a gym puts together that has the highest chance of success in a competition. This differs from gym to gym.

 

[Tony Dismukes]

This part in particular in part one;




All of that just rubbed me the wrong way. I abhor people using scare tactics to sell things.
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Eh, I've got no problem with it. As I've said in other threads, martial arts, fighting, and self-defense are three different things. They have areas of overlap, but they aren't the same.

The DVDs are videos recording the course he ran not the course themselves. I don't know why your link comes up as 'ground fighting' because it isn't. The other videos on armlocks etc are used by MMA fighters, BJJers and Judoka. He doesn't just teach SD but has a keen interest in karate, MMA well most styles really.

"So I wanted to capture the masterclass on film because I know that for every person that attended this course there were many who were too late, or simply didn't get to hear about it. If you are one of those people, or if you are simply someone that wants to get ahead of the crowd and excel, then this is a unique opportunity for you to learn what I taught on the masterclass at a fraction of the price of attending.
Through this professionally shot recording of the programme, you'll get a front row seat as the masterclass unfolds over a 6 month period. And because it's on DVD, you can watch again and again. I know you're going to pick up new things with each viewing."

Scroll down past the masterclass video. He has a bunch of DVDs specifically oriented towards ground fighting, and if the descriptions are accurate they are oriented towards street combatives rather than sport. (Actually, I missed a bunch on first glance - he has many more than four of them.) If he intends those for sport competitors, he should probably make that more clear.

I'm betting that if I said Geoff was pants you'd have fawning been all over him like a tramp on chips. ROFLMAO

Who is that aimed at? The only person who has said anything negative about Mr. Thompson is Hanzou. As far as I can tell, he's a very knowledgeable instructor.

 

[ballen0351]

I'm betting that if I said Geoff was pants you'd have fawning been all over him like a tramp on chips. ROFLMAO

Speak English darn it lol

 

[Tez3]

Speak English darn it lol

LOl, tramp = hobo, chips = French fries. 'he's all over it like a hobo on French fries'

Tony, the remarks aren't aimed at you, Hanzou and drop bear have gone from thread to thread over a few different styles rubbishing them, the latest episode is in the WC part. Only those that agree with them aren't rubbished, question anything and you get the treatment as shown here.

The thing that makes me laugh though is on here drop bear is the one who brought Geoff into the 'conversation' when he said that he does MMA for the street just like Geoff Thompson. Now he thinks Geoff is pants. What can I say?

 

[Steve]

Is being pants good or bad?

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[Tez3]

well i for one think he is pants.


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Lol you brought him up saying you do MMA for the street as he does and now you think he's rubbish, oh dear.

 

[Transk53]

You know what. I would love to see HANZOU stand in front of Geoff. I bet he would drop down a little pissing himself silly. A doorman with 40 years on the door is commonly referred to as a Legend. Put this way, I for one would love to tap into knowledge base. Being an ex doorman, I can just see it!

 

[ballen0351]

Whats pants?

 

[Hanzou]

Tony, the remarks aren't aimed at you, Hanzou and drop bear have gone from thread to thread over a few different styles rubbishing them, the latest episode is in the WC part. Only those that agree with them aren't rubbished, question anything and you get the treatment as shown here.

For the record, inquiring why Wing Chun isn't well represented in MMA isn't rubbishing the style. However, that's another issue in another thread.

As for my opinion on Thompson, it's exactly that. It's an opinion I have for similar individuals who have the supposed answer for street survival. I will say that one great key to self defense that even folks like Thompson should utilize, is a slimmer waistline.

 

[Tez3]

Whats pants?

It means 'not good' as in rubbish lol.

 

[Transk53]

well i for one think he is pants.


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well i for one think he is pants.


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Dude. If you know of the door, then you are just being silly. You do know of the door, do you not?

 

[Tez3]

For the record, inquiring why Wing Chun isn't well represented in MMA isn't rubbishing the style. However, that's another issue in another thread.

As for my opinion on Thompson, it's exactly that. It's an opinion I have for similar individuals who have the supposed answer for street survival. I will say that one great key to self defense that even folks like Thompson should utilize, is a slimmer waistline.

Miaow. Shall I fetch you a saucer of milk?