dvcochran
Grandmaster
I have to ask why. It seems to be of enough interest for you to bring them both up in the same sentence.I do. It's not a particular area of interest. But yes.
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I have to ask why. It seems to be of enough interest for you to bring them both up in the same sentence.I do. It's not a particular area of interest. But yes.
Why what?I have to ask why. It seems to be of enough interest for you to bring them both up in the same sentence.
Why you think they are exclusive?Why what?
because they're different. I'm honestly not sure what you're asking.Why you think they are exclusive?
it would help if @dvcochran would stop speaking in code.Friendly reminder that politics are not allowed to be discussed to an extent: You're free to discuss history/governments, but actual political discussion is not allowed. And that while you can discuss religion as much as you like, there is no religion bashing allowed on this forum.
No one's violated either of those from what I can tell, just putting in a reminder in case any posters wanted to turn the conversation in either direction.
I'm actually a bit confused about what both of you are talking about, or where either of you are headed with the conversation. Which is the main reason I posted the reminder.it would help if @dvcochran would stop speaking in code.
Me too.I'm actually a bit confused about what both of you are talking about, or where either of you are headed with the conversation. Which is the main reason I posted the reminder.
Martial arts is not a religion it is a science.
Where martial arts reflects religion it invariably fails to perform.
Where martial arts reflects science it succeeds.
I'm actually a bit confused about what both of you are talking about, or where either of you are headed with the conversation. Which is the main reason I posted the reminder.
Me too.
Martial arts is not a religion it is a science.
Where martial arts reflects religion it invariably fails to perform.
Where martial arts reflects science it succeeds.
I think it starts with the fact that I don't trust you as far as I can spit.I am confused as to why each of you are confused. I asked a simple question; "are the two terms mutually exclusive". The answer given was 'yes'. I then asked 'why'. Then everything started getting evasive. Then it was inferred that I was 'speaking in code'. This is where it is getting confusing for me. I am not sure how I could have been more clear.
xtianity is barely a known word even in slang dictionaries. I get the inference so if anyone is speaking in code, well.....
xtian
meaning christian
the x comes from latin and is the latin letter for christ, i.e. x-tian means christ-tian or christian
also xmas meaning christ-mas
de·ism
/ˈdēˌizəm,ˈdāˌizəm/
noun
To me they are mutually Inclusive. Steve said the opposite and I simply asked why.
- belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind.
Where are you guys trying to go with this?
Like I said, I was confused on both ends. Part of that was that I wasn't sure what was being asked is mutually exclusive. That's why I added in the reminder-just to be safe. Carry on with your discussion.I am confused as to why each of you are confused. I asked a simple question; "are the two terms mutually exclusive". The answer given was 'yes'. I then asked 'why'. Then everything started getting evasive. Then it was inferred that I was 'speaking in code'. This is where it is getting confusing for me. I am not sure how I could have been more clear.
xtianity is barely a known word even in slang dictionaries. I get the inference so if anyone is speaking in code, well.....
xtian
meaning christian
the x comes from latin and is the latin letter for christ, i.e. x-tian means christ-tian or christian
also xmas meaning christ-mas
de·ism
/ˈdēˌizəm,ˈdāˌizəm/
noun
To me they are mutually Inclusive. Steve said the opposite and I simply asked why.
- belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind.
Where are you guys trying to go with this?
I would say some of the more modern systems rely more on science as a teaching tool or method. But physical science applied to human performance is a pretty new science in the grand scheme. I imagine many of today's ideas and theories of making power were not even around in the early MA years. Even in areas where the mechanics are still done exactly the same way today, the thinking and expression was likely quite different back then.
I suspect the thought process of intent changed the dynamics of learning MA's quite a lot.
For example; "This (strike/kick/arm bar/choke/etc...you pick) is used to disable your attacker so that you can finish the kill". versus "This (strike/kick/arm bar/choke/etc...you pick) is used to disable your opponent so you can pin them and win the match".
Same movement, totally different intent, totally different mentality. Simply said, things were presented with much more 'Martial' intent.
So, to me we are still crossing the line(s) of understanding and/or comprehension. Many martial arts styles apply a strong mental and/or philosophical component in their teaching. To me this is where some people may translate it into a 'religion' category. I feel it is esoteric when you drill down far enough. The people who dig deep and really understand their MA ('s) also understand it is not a religion, and that in some eastern cultures the two were (keyword) inclusive. That is not to imply the modern practitioner Has to follow the religious overlap. These should be kept separate IMHO.
Being really passionate about your martial art should not automatically be misconstrued as practicing a religion. Competing at a high level is sometimes called a 'religion' because of the mental and physical investment. I fully get what people mean when they say this but I feel it is a poor twisting of the meaning of the word religion.
Modern like Aristotle?
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So as an example here is Richard Dawkins explaining the celestial tea cup.
Now this is usually an argument aimed at theology. But is very relevant to martial arts.
And basically if you can't show it and replicate it you can't effectively prove it exists.
This is regardless as to how convincing your sales pitch is. So even though not everything is on you tube, or it worked for me, or the astronaut cowboys used it or it is not designed for any circumstances that seem to be recorded or any of these theological style excuses that get made. They don't count for evidence of existence.
And they are the styles that are more likely to fail under testing.
Nearly all arguments about the street pretty much fall in to this category.