Many researchers taking a different view of pedophilia

[Big Don]

[h=1]Many researchers taking a different view of pedophilia[/h]By Alan Zarembo, Los Angeles Times EXCERPT: January 14, 2013, 8:12 p.m.

As a young boy, Paul Christiano loved the world of girls — the way they danced, how their spindly bodies tumbled in gymnastics.

In adolescence, as other boys ogled classmates, he was troubled to find himself fantasizing about 7- to 11-year-olds.

His desires remained stuck in time as he neared adulthood. Despite a stable home life in suburban Chicago, he was tortured by urges he knew could land him in prison.

"For having these feelings, I was destined to become a monster," he said. "I was terrified."

In 1999, Christiano was caught buying child pornography. Now 36, he said he has never molested a child, but after five years of state-ordered therapy, the attraction remains.

"These people felt they could snuff out the desire, or shame me into denying it existed," he said. "But it's as intrinsic as the next person's heterosexuality."

In the laboratory, researchers are coming to the same conclusion.

Like many forms of sexual deviance, pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life. Now, many experts view it as a sexual orientation as immutable as heterosexuality or homosexuality. It is a deep-rooted predisposition — limited almost entirely to men — that becomes clear during puberty and does not change.

The best estimates are that between 1% and 5% of men are pedophiles, meaning that they have a dominant attraction to prepubescent children.
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Oh, they can't change? So, recidivism will be high? Good reason for capital punishment.

 

[Dirty Dog]

I've said for years that there's no "treatment" for pedophiles, other than termination.

 

[billc]

Life imprisonment would work...as long as no one let them out again...

 

[granfire]

Many researchers taking a different view of pedophilia

By Alan Zarembo, Los Angeles Times EXCERPT: January 14, 2013, 8:12 p.m.

As a young boy, Paul Christiano loved the world of girls — the way they danced, how their spindly bodies tumbled in gymnastics.

In adolescence, as other boys ogled classmates, he was troubled to find himself fantasizing about 7- to 11-year-olds.

His desires remained stuck in time as he neared adulthood. Despite a stable home life in suburban Chicago, he was tortured by urges he knew could land him in prison.

"For having these feelings, I was destined to become a monster," he said. "I was terrified."

In 1999, Christiano was caught buying child pornography. Now 36, he said he has never molested a child, but after five years of state-ordered therapy, the attraction remains.

"These people felt they could snuff out the desire, or shame me into denying it existed," he said. "But it's as intrinsic as the next person's heterosexuality."

In the laboratory, researchers are coming to the same conclusion.

Like many forms of sexual deviance, pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life. Now, many experts view it as a sexual orientation as immutable as heterosexuality or homosexuality. It is a deep-rooted predisposition — limited almost entirely to men — that becomes clear during puberty and does not change.

The best estimates are that between 1% and 5% of men are pedophiles, meaning that they have a dominant attraction to prepubescent children.
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Oh, they can't change? So, recidivism will be high? Good reason for capital punishment.

well, it's all nice and dandy....
but unlike attractions to adult partners pedophiles leave victims.

And uh...what about the studies that show a propencity of the victims becoming perpetrators?

 

[Touch Of Death]

Many researchers taking a different view of pedophilia

By Alan Zarembo, Los Angeles Times EXCERPT: January 14, 2013, 8:12 p.m.

As a young boy, Paul Christiano loved the world of girls — the way they danced, how their spindly bodies tumbled in gymnastics.

In adolescence, as other boys ogled classmates, he was troubled to find himself fantasizing about 7- to 11-year-olds.

His desires remained stuck in time as he neared adulthood. Despite a stable home life in suburban Chicago, he was tortured by urges he knew could land him in prison.

"For having these feelings, I was destined to become a monster," he said. "I was terrified."

In 1999, Christiano was caught buying child pornography. Now 36, he said he has never molested a child, but after five years of state-ordered therapy, the attraction remains.

"These people felt they could snuff out the desire, or shame me into denying it existed," he said. "But it's as intrinsic as the next person's heterosexuality."

In the laboratory, researchers are coming to the same conclusion.

Like many forms of sexual deviance, pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life. Now, many experts view it as a sexual orientation as immutable as heterosexuality or homosexuality. It is a deep-rooted predisposition — limited almost entirely to men — that becomes clear during puberty and does not change.

The best estimates are that between 1% and 5% of men are pedophiles, meaning that they have a dominant attraction to prepubescent children.
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Oh, they can't change? So, recidivism will be high? Good reason for capital punishment.

I grew up with a guy that exhibited these traits. In grade school he would obsess over some child, and voiced that I was weird for not doing the same. I thought they were pretty and all, but I had problems of my own and never really did pick up on obsessing over people. LOL But getting back to my friend, the older he got, he still liked these young girls. It is exactly as the article describes. Before we all have him killed, I don't think he ever molested a child, and thanks to self induced diabetes he wont be having sex with anyone ever. So, before we poo poo this line of thinking, I know that guy. LOL (figuratively)
Sean

 

[ballen0351]

I grew up with a guy that exhibited these traits. In grade school he would obsess over some child, and voiced that I was weird for not doing the same. I thought they were pretty and all, but I had problems of my own and never really did pick up on obsessing over people. LOL But getting back to my friend, the older he got, he still liked these young girls. It is exactly as the article describes. Before we all have him killed, I don't think he ever molested a child, and thanks to self induced diabetes he wont be having sex with anyone ever. So, before we poo poo this line of thinking, I know that guy. LOL (figuratively)
Sean

you dont need to have sex to molest a child

 

[Touch Of Death]

you dont need to have sex to molest a child

Well, the guy I am talking about is more a danger to himself than anyone else, but he is clearly in the danger zone. I believe he would have been a serious danger were he not so self destructive and weird, and with that we can safely ignore him. I am just saying there are those among us that obsess about the wrong things, and they may never act on it, but he would have been easy to spot had someone been looking, but no one really cared.
Sean

 

[Tez3]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-21059681#TWEET532312

 

[granfire]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-21059681#TWEET532312

however horrific (they need to be castrated with a rusty butterknife)
not exactly the kink in the brain that makes a pedophile....


I am guessing a hint of 'cultural' deviation here as well...females being worth less than a donkey.....

 

[Tez3]

The girls are as young as 10,11 and 12, that makes the men paedophiles. Paedophiles that make money out of their victims at that. The girl was forced to have an abortion (a backstreet therefore illegal one) at 12, she'd been used for sex since she turned 11.

 

[DennisBreene]

however horrific (they need to be castrated with a rusty butterknife)
not exactly the kink in the brain that makes a pedophile....


I am guessing a hint of 'cultural' deviation here as well...females being worth less than a donkey.....

This goes so far beyond the pale that it is it's own special sphere of sociopathy. I don't think these type of people change. The only thing reasonable is to prevent them from ever being in a position to harm another. Decisively, permanently and with appropriate public fanfare. And no, that does not necessarily mean excecution.

 

[granfire]

The girls are as young as 10,11 and 12, that makes the men paedophiles. Paedophiles that make money out of their victims at that. The girl was forced to have an abortion (a backstreet therefore illegal one) at 12, she'd been used for sex since she turned 11.

sure, and all that jazz, but it does have that cultural twang to it....
By all means, I am not defending these wastes of oxygen.
just saying they have another component to it. Seems to me more of a business decision for them to abuse these girls, break them in before throwing them on the market.
And then renting them out to the pedophiles of the 1st order.

Which of course is made much easier when the female is not regarded as equal human.


However, the problem is neither of these groups can be left unchecked in society.
Unlike the average relationship between 2 consenting adults, there are victims!

 

[Tez3]

Those on trial may be Asian but there were plenty of 'customers' who were white.

 

[granfire]

Those on trial may be Asian but there were plenty of 'customers' who were white.

yes
(however those guy in the article are no different than the guys who traffic women. It's just a more lucrative branch! 600 POUNDS per pop! That's a top of the line hooker of the legal age!)

THOSE are the other guys.
Now, neither is particularly charming....

Now, with the 'I can't help it' excuse being on the verge of being proven my medical science....
rosy expectations! After all, homosexuality was at once declared illegal, right?! <shudder>

 

[Makalakumu]

In the book "Sex at Dawn" Dr. Christopher Ryan goes into the subject of the development of sexuality. He goes through the research and shows how males and females are different in the development of their sexuality. Essentially females are more flexible when it comes to their standards and they are able to more easily shift their tastes and preferences, while males have an age where their tastes become fixed. That age occurs right around puberty, give or take a few years. Anyway, when cross cultural comparisons are performed, cultures that have puritan rules regarding sex tend to produce more sexual deviance. It is thought that the limitation of exposure to sexual material, control of sexual thought, and experience itself creates more individuals who "imprint" off of the wrong things. This is why really sexually restrictive cultures are infamous for their fetishes, pedophilia, and bestiality.

This research does not suggest that culture is the prime factor in creating pedophiles. Even in permissive cultures, they still exist, but they are far more rare. What it does suggest is that cultures can reduce the amount of sexual deviance by being more open about sex and sexual behavior. We can reduce the amount of pedophilia by teaching our younger males about what is sexy and helping them imprint on that. So, rather than simply bringing pedophiles to the guillotine, why not take a moment to reflect on how they got that way and perhaps work to support a rational solution to reduce the damage these people can cause.

In the end, no matter how well we teach our children, some people are going to imprint off of the wrong things. The research from the book I cited above, dovetails with this article. The proclivity doesn't change for males. Once a person becomes a pedophile or develops a fetish, it's effectively permanent. For these individuals, there will always be a need of some form of social control.

 

[cdunn]

. We can reduce the amount of pedophilia by teaching our younger males about what is sexy and helping them imprint on that. So, rather than simply bringing pedophiles to the guillotine, why not take a moment to reflect on how they got that way and perhaps work to support a rational solution to reduce the damage these people can cause.

In the end, no matter how well we teach our children, some people are going to imprint off of the wrong things. The research from the book I cited above, dovetails with this article. The proclivity doesn't change for males. Once a person becomes a pedophile or develops a fetish, it's effectively permanent. For these individuals, there will always be a need of some form of social control.

Germany is trying.

 

[Sukerkin]

It is ever a source of wonder to me that the human mind and the supporting physical systems that feed it can spin so wildly out of kilter as a response to relatively small stimuli at the right (or wrong) time.

Because at other times it can be so resilient and robust, it makes you blink to realise that things can go wrong so very easily - I suppose that is why as many as a third of us have mental problems of one sort or another.

 

[Makalakumu]

It is ever a source of wonder to me that the human mind and the supporting physical systems that feed it can spin so wildly out of kilter as a response to relatively small stimuli at the right (or wrong) time.

Because at other times it can be so resilient and robust, it makes you blink to realise that things can go wrong so very easily - I suppose that is why as many as a third of us have mental problems of one sort or another.

If ever there was a need for some kind of Clockwork Orange technology, it's here. Maybe sometime in the future it will be possible reprogram a persons sexuality.

 

[Tez3]

As with a lot of things such as over eating, not exercising etc the thought of self control doesn't seem to come into it. The excuse that 'I can't help it' is a poor one for things like this, the modern way seems to be that you have to give into your baser instincts. Goodness knows there's a lot of people I could quite easily kill with my bare hands if need be but I don't kill them I'm even polite to them because of self control, self discipline. It's why most of us don't over eat, don't break the law, don't have sex with children etc etc.

 

[cdunn]

As with a lot of things such as over eating, not exercising etc the thought of self control doesn't seem to come into it. The excuse that 'I can't help it' is a poor one for things like this, the modern way seems to be that you have to give into your baser instincts. Goodness knows there's a lot of people I could quite easily kill with my bare hands if need be but I don't kill them I'm even polite to them because of self control, self discipline. It's why most of us don't over eat, don't break the law, don't have sex with children etc etc.

The basic point of the German program is that you can train people in self control. It does not accept offenders. I feel it is a worthy effort, though I do not know what its results are at the moment.