Jake104
Black Belt
DittoI am happy that you are happy with what you do, genuinely. You seem like a nice honest guy
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DittoI am happy that you are happy with what you do, genuinely. You seem like a nice honest guy
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Maybe whoever you learned from did not know or teach you.Grappling does not mean that you wlil use collegiate wrestling, and ground fighting does not mean only bjj.
Ving Tsun in the UK is pretty small. I don't want to burn any bridges because I am here for a while. It isn't really possible for me to identify myself, but you can narrow who I am currently learning from to a very low number of people and get a good idea of the emphasis of the approach
Uh, yeah, that really doesn't make any sense. Why would you burn bridges by saying who you study with (unless you aren't being truthful about something?) Or maybe you're hiding out from the law? lol
Anyway, I'm not so interested that I would go thru the hassle to start finding who teaches WSL method and then make guesses. But since you want people to guess - I know the last time you mentioned you studied under someone, they didn't seem to know who you were you. Maybe this is why you're hesitant. Anyway, no big deal Mr. Mystery!
Ving Tsun in the UK is pretty small. I don't want to burn any bridges because I am here for a while. It isn't really possible for me to identify myself, but you can narrow who I am currently learning from to a very low number of people and get a good idea of the emphasis of the approach
Ving Tsun in the UK is pretty small. I don't want to burn any bridges because I am here for a while. It isn't really possible for me to identify myself, but you can narrow who I am currently learning from to a very low number of people and get a good idea of the emphasis of the approach
-----------------------------------Ving Tsun in the UK is pretty small. I don't want to burn any bridges because I am here for a while. It isn't really possible for me to identify myself, but you can narrow who I am currently learning from to a very low number of people and get a good idea of the emphasis of the approach
Agree! The moment that your hand grab on your opponent's arm, you are entering that grappling door.Why chase you around and try punching you when I can keep you in one spot, punch choke and slam your face in the ground? Maybe it's not technically WC strategy? I don't know. But it's my strategy. Good for me bad for you.
"The Real Wing Chun"Maybe I didn't get the real wing chun?
"The Real Wing Chun"
What specifically is the real wing chun?
Yours, your instructor, his instructor? Are they all exactly the same, no differences, no variances?
Yip Man's wing chun was quite different from many of his students and many differences within the different students. Why? Why so many differences? What is the Real wing chun?
[QUOTE="Vajramusti, post: 1727064, member: 22174
While wing chun has spread- good wing chun remains a rare art.
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I am nota WSL guy- though I respect him. But he just visited the Uk several times.
You dont have to nor should you chase hands in close quarters work or on the ground.
The view that wing chun is only for hitting is a very very limited one... but of course everyone has an opinion
In a private courtyard lesson- Ip Man threw good kickers all over the place. And in well known challenge match in Fatshan- Ip man defended against a Northern mantis master. IM had his back to the audience and on the stage he threw the mantis master with lop sao and thhe mantis guy went flying- clashing onto and breaking a tea table.
Quite a few of Augustine Fong proteges in Tucson and Phoenix can handle themselves on the ground or deal with grapplers. One should be careful about over generalizations.
While wing chun has spread- good wing chun remains a rare art.
I think Guy was joking. Anyway @Guy: I fully understand why you might want to keep your identity under wraps. Some WC people are so hypersensitive that just honestly speaking your mind on a forum like this can get you blackballed. I've been in that situation. Now I'm old and my current Assn. tolerates me carrying on like this. They probably figure no one who matters is listening.
Anyway, unlike that other forum, we don't really care about the details of who trained with. It is useful to know that it was WSL lineage, and that you have trained with several people. Just so we know where you're coming from. Beyond that, who gives a rat's behind. Please, carry on....
Agree! The moment that your hand grab on your opponent's arm, you are entering that grappling door.
Here are examples:
Simply being on the ground is either failure or hand chasing, as I see it. Using wing chun on the ground is...not the best use of that tool.
I don't see much in wing chun that is not about hitting. I would be genuinely interested to hear your views on what the different stages of learning are teaching so that I can understand where you are coming from.
IWe typically look to hit when we have a superior position and some disruption of our opponent's facing/COG. So how do we achieve this? by simply throwing a punch and hoping it lands? Of course now. WC's chi sau technologies are how we achieve that (along with applicable theories like loi lau hoi sung, 2 lines offense/defense, 2 hands working as one, dui yeng/jui yeng facing principles, etc)
And I'm not advocating that WC is better than say BJJ for on the ground, but if we look at WC as a system of principles/concepts, then yeah it applies to all aspects of fighting.
What long/short reach problems are you talking about?Pulling their opponent into their space and creating long/short reach problems.
The major difference between CMA and boxing is CMA guys like to pull your opponent into your punch.
What long/short reach problems are you talking about?
The major difference between CMA and boxing is CMA guys like to pull your opponent into your punch. Since boxers have gloves on, it's hard to "pull".
Lol, I would agree mostly. Not sure what you are arguing about?
loi lau is engage centre, hoi sung is capitalise on errors, take up surrendered space. In short pressure the centre with structure and eat space.
But why did you neglect the second part of the maxim; lat sau jik chung? Surely that is the most important bit, since it is all about capitalising on the situation you have imposed and winning the fight wing chun style?
Well obviously wing chun is much much worse than bjj for the ground. This goes without saying. But I think you may also be wrong about the principles applying on the ground. Lat sau jik chung for example will just get you armlocked or triangled on the ground against a competent grappler. It also isn't possoible to move and control as it is standing. The wing chun power generation via hip and elbow is regularly nullified, and so on. I think that while in a survival situation with no other knowledge you might have no choice but to think wing chun on the ground, in the modern world it is at best negligent to assume it will suffice. It is at very best a third rate ground system.