Hitting is touching!
Advanced Wing Chun Structure
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angelariz
Green Belt
Not with my super chi powers.Hitting is touching!
I suppose it depends if you see chi sau as the end goal of of Chi sau or not.
I think for some folk chi sau acts as a transition for hitting without being hit.
This is the first time I've seen the bridge get crossed in chi sau and instead of hitting (yay! Confetti!) there seems to be a consideration of what's really needed is the crossed bridge needs a lot more support. I'm sure there is a reason but i can't see it.
The way I look at it, the gentleman in the video was demonstrating certain points/drills to the other gentleman in the video. I don't think it's a fair question "why not just hit him?" That would be like watching a class do pushups and say "what kind of fighting stance is that?"
I dunno', I haven't got beaten up by a Wing Chun guy lately. Sure did a lot in the past, though.
I dunno', I haven't got beaten up by a Wing Chun guy lately. Sure did a lot in the past, though.
I apologise for the initial rather direct questioning and no doubt should have put forward the broader explanation I provided later first.
If you have crossed the bridge in chi sau you can hit them... but the entire point of this drill is not to hit them so I am interested as to where it leads.
So I feel your analogy about push ups is off the mark. It's more if you get the football to your opponents end and the goal is clear why not score.
All I'm asking is if your not hitting him when you have the opportunity because your objective is instead strengthen the bridge what is the applicable skill of this drill where do you go next.
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You can take your opponent down.
Should WC cross the boundary of striking art and move into the wrestling art?
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futsaowingchun
Black Belt
Hitting is easy controlling requires more skill.. Control first then hit otherwise you will trade blows
Why seperate the two? Many would say that Wing Chun science is based on Lin Su Dai Da, always.
Combining attack and defense together in one action allows you to better take advantage of staple concepts like hands on top, chasing center, taking position, correct timing, etc...
Ultimately there’s no such thing as “Advanced Wing Chun Structure” or advanced Wing Chun in general; only a greater and greater ability to implement the skills, concepts and structure of the system into a single reaction.
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Oily Dragon
Senior Master
Hardly.
Do they teach you how to break bones in basic wrestling after just two months of sparring? Or to coil and uncoil you body like a dragon?
Do you believe submission is the end game of hand to hand combat?
Looks like he thinks a Bong sao is a thing...a static shape. So he uses this thing like a crowbar and a support beam . His rotor cuff would cop a flogging.
In wrestling no, but in bjj/sambo/judo/CACC yes.
I have no idea what do you mean by saying this (maybe because I am not native english speaker).
Submission not. But breaking bones, tendon ruptures and choking to unconsciousness - yes. The same as K.Os.
I hate to break it to you, but dragons are myth. They don't exist. How can you be taught to move like something that never existed? Or, equally true, any movement of any sort can be called "like a dragon" and you can't prove otherwise.
Maybe this is why references to snakes and cranes might be better illustrations. At least they do exist!
Martial D
Senior Master
Ideally the 'stick' in the bridge should happen for only a second. Long enough to manipulate an opening to fire a fist through
Chi sau is extended training to gain a feel for something that should take place in the blink of an eye, but without aliveness in your WC that gets often overlooked.
angelariz
Green Belt
Yes it is.Ok...I'll say it: hitting is a form of control.
angelariz
Green Belt
Boxing is boxing. Hit and not get hit. Controlling through energy drills is always a good skill to have. However, when you have a life or death situation, i prefer stick and move, and not get into an attachment.
angelariz
Green Belt
Chi sau to me is clinching to grappling practice.
- In another thread, I suggest Judo guys should obtain clinching during a striking environment.
- In most WC thread, I also suggest that WC guys should obtain clinch through sticky hand and move into grappling.
If you think striking art (or grappling art) is only part of the MA training, the striking art and grappling art integration should be the goal, WC sticky hand can be a good tool to achieve your goal.
angelariz
Green Belt
Sifu Paul agrees with this method. Which is why all pfs people are supposed to seek coaches and teachers to further delve into the different ranges.
