Joe Rogan smack talking TMA's like kung fu

[TSDTexan]

I did. It's a pretty dumb argument. Interesting that out of all the high-ranking Aikidoka in the world, you choose two that are black belts in Bjj.



That wasn't my argument. I was simply supporting Drop Bear's statement.

Also I don't think Rogan ever said that Aikido was a fantasy MA.

Steven Segal tappped Silva a few times... and thats just light action from an old, out of shape, has-been actor-akidoka, who's ego needs to lie and claim he taught Silva the front kick.

 

[Hanzou]

Steven Segal tappped Silva a few times... and thats just light action from an old, out of shape, has-been actor-akidoka, who's ego needs to lie and claim he taught Silva the front kick.

Which was as phoney as his films.

Think about it: If Segal could really tap out the best fighter in the world in a matter of seconds with seemingly no effort, why didn't he step into the octagon and do it in an actual fight?

C'mon man, you can't be that gullible.

 

[Hanzou]

 

[TSDTexan]

Which was as phoney as his films.

Think about it: If Segal could really tap out the best fighter in the world in a matter of seconds with seemingly no effort, why didn't he step into the octagon and do it in an actual fight?

C'mon man, you can't be that gullible.

You think you can sub him?
Or... do you think you can sub Steven Segal?

Best fighter in the world doesn't equal immune to the techniques of a 7th Dan Aikidoka.

 

[drop bear]

Steven Segal tappped Silva a few times... and thats just light action from an old, out of shape, has-been actor-akidoka, who's ego needs to lie and claim he taught Silva the front kick.

Anderson silver could probably make akido work.

Who has Steven segal fought again? I forget.

 

[drop bear]

Which was as phoney as his films.

Think about it: If Segal could really tap out the best fighter in the world in a matter of seconds with seemingly no effort, why didn't he step into the octagon and do it in an actual fight?

C'mon man, you can't be that gullible.

Did tap him out in drills.

 

[RTKDCMB]

Well stuff like this doesn't help;



I mean, stuff like that just reinforces the perception.

How does a friendly demonstration by a visiting Turkish wrestler in an Aikido class reinforce that perception?

 

[RTKDCMB]

Btw... one aikidoka losing to a turkish wrestler doesnt prove your case that a. Aikido isnt a grappling art.

He didn't lose to the Turkish wrestler, it was clearly just a demonstration of his abilities. If you notice, the Aikido students did not have the reaction they would have if their instructor was being shown up by a visiting fighter. They were applauding every time the wrestler got the upper hand so unless their instructor was not very well liked in his own class it was just a demonstration of wrestling.

 

[Hanzou]

How does a friendly demonstration by a visiting Turkish wrestler in an Aikido class reinforce that perception?

That wasn't a demonstration, that was a friendly sparring match. Which is why the wrestler didn't expect it, and they went twice.

The students clapped because they were impressed by the skill of the wrestler.

Typically in demonstrations between two styles, one style doesn't completely dominate the other.

 

[Hanzou]

Did tap him out in drills.

Tapping someone out in drills versus tapping someone out in fighting are two different things.

 

[Tez3]

 

[JowGaWolf]

That wasn't a demonstration, that was a friendly sparring match. Which is why the wrestler didn't expect it, and they went twice.

The students clapped because they were impressed by the skill of the wrestler.

Typically in demonstrations between two styles, one style doesn't completely dominate the other.

I didn't see it that way. Real challenges aren't friendly like that. You can hear the wrestler say "no striking", "just wrestling." The Aikido practitioner is probably a really good one and the teacher there probably wanted to expand his understanding of Aikido when going against a different fighting style. No matter what style of martial arts you take, you can't fight all fighting systems with the same approach. The fact that this was done in front of students means that the students are able to learn as well and can see the fight from a different perspective which will give the Aikido practitioner more information to use. Most likely the head teacher of that school isn't the one wrestling. As the head teacher it's best to see the fight from the outside. At no point in time in the video did the school lose face nor did the Turkish wrestler.
The Aikido students are also video taping as well, which will make for a good study reference and will help make their school better. The students were probably impressed to a point. But most of that clapping is probably out of respect and good will, especially since it's not a real challenge. I wouldn't be surprise if they build a relationship with this guy in an effort to learn more about how his style works so that they can fine tune Aikido to deal with similar wrestling movements.

 

[Hanzou]

I didn't see it that way. Real challenges aren't friendly like that. You can hear the wrestler say "no striking", "just wrestling." The Aikido practitioner is probably a really good one and the teacher there probably wanted to expand his understanding of Aikido when going against a different fighting style. No matter what style of martial arts you take, you can't fight all fighting systems with the same approach. The fact that this was done in front of students means that the students are able to learn as well and can see the fight from a different perspective which will give the Aikido practitioner more information to use. Most likely the head teacher of that school isn't the one wrestling. As the head teacher it's best to see the fight from the outside. At no point in time in the video did the school lose face nor did the Turkish wrestler.
The Aikido students are also video taping as well, which will make for a good study reference and will help make their school better. The students were probably impressed to a point. But most of that clapping is probably out of respect and good will, especially since it's not a real challenge. I wouldn't be surprise if they build a relationship with this guy in an effort to learn more about how his style works so that they can fine tune Aikido to deal with similar wrestling movements.

Who said it was a challenge? I said it was clearly a friendly sparring match. The Aikidoka was obviously attempting to perform his techniques, but he was completely overwhelmed.

Which again, is why he went at it a second time in an attempt to correct his mistakes.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Who said it was a challenge? I said it was clearly a friendly sparring match. The Aikidoka was obviously attempting to perform his techniques, but he was completely overwhelmed.

Which again, is why he went at it a second time in an attempt to correct his mistakes.

Sorry I could have sworn that I saw the word challenge mentioned. I'll have to start doing screen captures to make sure I'm not seeing things lol

 

[RTKDCMB]

Typically in demonstrations between two styles, one style doesn't completely dominate the other.

You have a very lax criterion for what passes for complete domination.

 

[TSDTexan]

You have a very lax criterion for what passes for complete domination.

Absolutely agree.

 

[Hanzou]

You have a very lax criterion for what passes for complete domination.

Getting taken down and subdued in a matter of seconds (not once, but twice) is being completely dominated.

 

[RTKDCMB]

Getting taken down and subdued in a matter of seconds (not once, but twice) is being completely dominated.

But of course that means that the entire style was dominated based on a single sparring session by a visiting instructor without any clear context.I guess Turkish wrestling must be better than Aikido.

Therefore it must also be better than BJJ:

 

[Drose427]

Getting taken down and subdued in a matter of seconds (not once, but twice) is being completely dominated.

so if I double leg a Jiu-Jitiero, and put him on his back I've completely dominated him?

Cool

 

[TSDTexan]

But of course that means that the entire style was dominated based on a single sparring session by a visiting instructor without any clear context.I guess Turkish wrestling must be better than Aikido.

Therefore it must also be better than BJJ:

Your logic is outstanding.
I am dumbfounded.

*claps wildly*