Wikipedia is not the only place on the internet to get information. It's not even the only reliable place. It's just convenient
JCVD
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opr1945
Black Belt
"the only reliable place." ???????
I followed the links from Wikipedia. It looks like JCVD’s point-fighting record is pretty well substantiated, but the evidence for his kickboxing career is slim at best.
Your confusion is my point lol. I am equally confused by the statement I responded to.
Same Trick
Purple Belt
Yes, so that’s why I asked if there could be linked the source index that the Wikipedia info draw from, there must be such references?(who writes the info on the Wikipedia?)
As you mention WAKO, I can easily access their webpage, but any JCVD I can’t find on there, maybe it’s just he/his name has great trouble to access through the great firewall ?
Sammy Naur
Green Belt
His record is pretty well substantiatiated.
Since you're subject to Communist censorship, I'm afraid you have worse than "great trouble"
Sorry friend. "easily access" is not your situation.
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Sammy Naur
Green Belt
Unless you're stuck in Communist China, and can't even get access to basic encyclopedias.
Right?
Sammy Naur
Green Belt
How do you figure?
We were just told WAKO was the test. And JCVD has at least 4 WAKO victories. That's not enough for you?
I'm starting to wonder why the goal posts here keep moving.
JCVD has a proven fight record. Full, light, semi,whatever. Are we really going to debate this?
You know what? This whole thread was a big troll, wasn't it. Great job.
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Sammy Naur
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JCVD's amateur fighting and kickboxing record isn't up for debate. It's well established, and I doubt anyone else here has a better record.
Wikipedia is a reputable source. The fact that it's banned by dictatorial governments is a testament to that.
People admitting to posting from inside Communist China are not reputable. Whatever the subject.
Do you disagree?
Sammy Naur
Green Belt
Same Trick
Purple Belt
On “tapology” theres a fight record of JCVD having a 6 wins/1 loss, looking into his opponent’s fight record on that webpage they seem to have only fought JCVD.
One webpage writes JCVD was on the winning Belgian team at the 1979 European karate championship it says the championship was held in December in Brussels of that year, but the WUKO European championship was actually held in May in Helsinki, the Dutch team was the team event winners.
But maybe it meant he was competing in the 1979 European WAKO championship, so let’s see -
https://wiki-gateway.eudic.net/wikipedia_en/W.A.K.O._European_Championships_1979.html
Yes he’s listed on that page as a kickboxer, but neither he or the Belgian team are on the list is winners or medalists, that tournament was held in Milan Italy……..
There’s some other things, such as it says he began karate(Shotokan) at either age 10, 11 or 12 depending on webpage one read, it says he became a member of Belgian national team after four years of training, but other info say it took him eight years to reach shodan(1st degree black belt), that is of course possible but info seems somewhat strange..
Van Varenberg’s keep on a mystery tale…..
Communist ! Hey, Camille Van Varenberg got his break as a Soviet Russian Kickboxer
SirKicksAlot
Yellow Belt
Isn't he French? Did he ever practice Savate?
frank raud
Master of Arts
No, the muscles from Brussels is not French, he's Belgian.
frank raud
Master of Arts
isshinryuronin
Senior Master
A very important point should be made regarding this thread, Bruce Lee, and others in general. There is a big difference in "studying with" and having been shown a few moves.
I worked out with Benny Urquiedez a couple of times and he showed me a few things, and I also had a semi-private 2-hour lesson with isshinryu founder T. Shimabuku's son and heir but would not claim to have "studied with" them. I had a number of private lessons with Ed Parker (very concentrated/intense) and would consider this as borderline "studying with."
I worked out with Benny Urquiedez a couple of times and he showed me a few things, and I also had a semi-private 2-hour lesson with isshinryu founder T. Shimabuku's son and heir but would not claim to have "studied with" them. I had a number of private lessons with Ed Parker (very concentrated/intense) and would consider this as borderline "studying with."
Sammy Naur
Green Belt
Thanks, so I'm not crazy.
Sammy Naur
Green Belt
There's no mystery on this end. I posted for you a list of his opponents, from a website you admitted is literally blocked from you by the Peoples Republic of China.
Van Damm never played a Soviet kickboxer. Where did you come up with that one?
From Wikipedia:
"On 8 March 1980, in Brussels, Belgium, he competed against his former teammate Patrick Teugels at the Forest National Arena on the undercard of the Dan Macaruso-Dominique Valera Professional Karate Association Light-Heavyweight World Championship bout.
Prior to this match, Teugels had defeated Van Damme twice by decision, including a match for the Belgium Lightweight Championship. Van Damme had a 1977 victory over Teugels. Teugels was coming off an impressive showing at the World Association of Kickboxing Organizations World Championships four months earlier, and was favored by some to win this match. According to reports, and Patrick Teugels' own interview (with photos), Teugels lost to Van Damme by TKO in the 1st round. Teugels was kicked in the nose and was unable to continue as a result. In a 2013 interview, Van Damme called this fight his most memorable match"
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Sammy Naur
Green Belt
I don't normally just post stuff like this, but I think in this case it's apropos.
Jean-Yves, The Ice Man, a legend, one of the best fighters and best Martial Artists I’ve ever seen. Class act, gentleman.
