Ivan
Black Belt
You are correct. I am not stupid enough to participate in bar fights. Regardless of my street fighting experience, I guarantee you pulling their sleeves or lapel would not be helpful.
Japanese Jiu Jitsu vs BJJ?
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Oily Dragon
Senior Master
Well in jacket arts, it might.
If you're on your back, grabbing the lapel of the guy in mount might be your saving grace. That's actually a good tactic, pulling the guy in mount closer so they can't do stuff, like hammer fist you in the face.
Note, this isn't an option in MMA, when the lapel of the other guy is his pec or bicep.
@screamingskull There are plenty of occasions where BJJ folk will put their face into your hands (although mount isn't one of them)
Obviously that's not an issue during a BJJ match, but could be a problem if your opponent knows how to attack the face with their hands etc
However, that should not be a reason to entirely dismiss BJJ as not applicable in the street
In all styles there are techniques that are inappropriate for certain situations and as long as the style has lots of other techniques that are appropriate in in these kind of situations then it remains valid and useful
BJJ is not optimised for self defence, but it has lots of robust options for self defence situations
Also I'd respectfully suggest that there is a world of difference between being able to do something like you described to someone with no idea what they are doing and trying it on someone who has a vague idea of how to use the mount
Obviously that's not an issue during a BJJ match, but could be a problem if your opponent knows how to attack the face with their hands etc
However, that should not be a reason to entirely dismiss BJJ as not applicable in the street
In all styles there are techniques that are inappropriate for certain situations and as long as the style has lots of other techniques that are appropriate in in these kind of situations then it remains valid and useful
BJJ is not optimised for self defence, but it has lots of robust options for self defence situations
Also I'd respectfully suggest that there is a world of difference between being able to do something like you described to someone with no idea what they are doing and trying it on someone who has a vague idea of how to use the mount
screamingskull
Orange Belt
not sure where you get this from as i just mentioned a situation i was in & then the BJJ expert started to dispute my claims..
screamingskull
Orange Belt
to expand a little bit on this..what is your experiences using your "mount" in real life.
please explain it.
Oily Dragon
Senior Master
I said I'm not a BJJ expert.
Do I crush a lot? Yes. Especially between my thighs. I've spent the last couple of weeks arguing that Jesse Enkampe is smart, and understand the importance of inner thigh adduction in all of Okinawan karate better than southern Chinese Wing Chun advocates..
It keeps getting morphed into a conversation about cuisine, which is fine by me. I'm the cook they refer to when they mention "you can have gong fu in cooking". Hi!!
I'm just an MMA guy with a strong TMA background. Haters gonna hate.
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screamingskull
Orange Belt
again..useless outside against more attackers.
Oily Dragon
Senior Master
Unless all the onlooking attackers look at you dominated one man, and decide they don't want to mess with you.
This is a thing.
Well I get folk who are younger, stronger and way more athletic than me into mount most days and believe I have come across all the possible ways to get out of it - including the odd idiot who wanted to grab my face and/or balls
I also train in a style that has a deep, technical understanding of no-rules options for serious situations and I practice how to apply BJJ and Japanese Jujutsu techniques in that context
In the very few altercations outside of the dojo that I've experienced people seemed to fall over surprisingly easily and were restrained by the crowd so TBH it was disappointingly unchallenging. But I appreciate that my experience here is limited and there is a very broad spectrum of situations that I haven't directly experienced
I think being able to grapple standing, to stay on your feet and take people down is very useful against multiple attackers
screamingskull
Orange Belt
well given that youĀ“ve only two hands...explain how youĀ“ll control even two guys throwing punches at your face... Dude !
screamingskull
Orange Belt
well mate....keep thinking youĀ“re some kind of superman
screamingskull
Orange Belt
and i can post other examples itĀ“s getting childish bro...
I think it's pretty clear based on the fact that there are a lot of videos documenting how BJJ was useful in a street fight that BJJ can be useful in a street fight
For sure there are times when BJJ practitioners fail in a street situation also, but that doesn't invalidate the point above
For sure there are times when BJJ practitioners fail in a street situation also, but that doesn't invalidate the point above
screamingskull
Orange Belt
...that i made
Because they're jerks who can't stop getting in fights all the time?
screamingskull
Orange Belt
thereĀ“s always jerks in bars where alcoholic drinks are served. Defending yourself or your loved ones is another matter.
I have never tried to be a "jerk" or even "jerked" off anyone
but i feel well within the law to defend myself & save my life.
I think I saw that movie!thereĀ“s always jerks in bars where alcoholic drinks are served. Defending yourself or your loved ones is another matter.
I have never tried to be a "jerk" or even "jerked" off anyone
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