Oily Dragon
Senior Master
Ok Dobby.
I'm pretty sure you don't know the first thing about physical confrontation, and might not even be old enough to be in a bar.
Japanese Jiu Jitsu vs BJJ?
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I'm pretty sure you don't know the first thing about physical confrontation, and might not even be old enough to be in a bar.
screamingskull
Orange Belt
please do not be angry just because i have another opinion.
Oily Dragon
Senior Master
I don't think you left it at "another opinion". You are stating things as facts that are obviously wrong, and making claims about the experiences of others. "BJJ useless outside"...."you don't know, bro, my cage is a pub" stuff is such tired nonsense, man.
You might want to stick to the bar scene (the pinnacle of martial prowess) and stay out of semi serious MA discussions.
It's hard to take drive by trolls like that seriously, like that one dude here who tried to convince us all that football hooligans were the most powerful kickers.
Your statements about BJJ are pretty overt style bashing, and that's not uncommon from people who have never trained it.
@screamingskull what style do you study?
screamingskull
Orange Belt
Lok yu Ting _jitsu
ItĀ“s my own system which i teach in a small room i rent for training. I have 15 students.
Ivan
Black Belt
I would say that Japanese Jiu Jitsu is similar to Sambo. A lot of people in my Sambo academy say it's like Japanese Sambo - lots of throws, strikes and submissions. But whilst BJJ focuses almost exclusively on dealing and controlling opponents on the ground, Japanese Jiu Jitsu would be like Sambo: focusing on ensuring smooth transitions between striking into taking an opponent down and then into controlling or submitting them once they're down. Good Japanese Jiu Jitsu academies are unfortunately hard to come across. This is simply my personal opinion, but strict adherence to old curriculums leads to outdated techniques. Outdated techniques wouldn't really be a huge issue however, if it wasn't for the fact that there is no element of sparring either.
Hanshi
Blue Belt
One "thing" that has been overlooked and not mentioned in this thread is the fact that a STYLE does not win a fight. The one element I find that prevails in such encounters is THE MAN who is fighting whether it's BJJ, various jiu jutsu, karate or just a really tough guy.
I taught, in my dojo, that if you are on the ground you have only around 6 seconds max to regain you feet or you could be in a dangerous situation. Whether from broken glass, rocks and especially friends of the attacker, it's never a good place to be in a bar or in the mean streets.
As a cop I once broke up a fight where two idiots had gotten into a fight. They were so incompetent that neither hurt the other at all. However I had to take both to the infirmary due to cuts that exposed bones and tendons. They were lucky as some of the cuts barely missed arteries. The ground was littered with broken glass, stones and broken pottery and they were rolling around in that stuff. And bad dudes seldom are alone.
I taught, in my dojo, that if you are on the ground you have only around 6 seconds max to regain you feet or you could be in a dangerous situation. Whether from broken glass, rocks and especially friends of the attacker, it's never a good place to be in a bar or in the mean streets.
As a cop I once broke up a fight where two idiots had gotten into a fight. They were so incompetent that neither hurt the other at all. However I had to take both to the infirmary due to cuts that exposed bones and tendons. They were lucky as some of the cuts barely missed arteries. The ground was littered with broken glass, stones and broken pottery and they were rolling around in that stuff. And bad dudes seldom are alone.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Also. Why don't they ever have any friends?
Just these lonely street fighters out on the town getting picked on.
That is kind of depressing.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
The issue is the floor is safer for you in regards to the guy you are fighting.
If you are on top of someone it is very hard for them to incapacitate you with strikes. It is very easy for you to incapacitate them.
where standing they have as much chance of finishing you as you do finishing them.
So there are different risks.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
If the style isn't making the man better. Then it isn't doing its job.
People should be getting more proficient at fighting after having done fighting training
screamingskull
Orange Belt
depends on how far youĀ“re prepared to go. I have been in that situation before where i grabbed the guys hair on top of me & thrust my thumb into his eye.
I got him off me i mean this is painful & not many will risk losing an eye, remember in a BJJ Dojo people do not do this kind of thing.
outside there are no rules like in a Dojo.
Ivan
Black Belt
You must have very long arms to have been able to reach his hair and eyes from the bottom mount all while he was hitting you.
screamingskull
Orange Belt
read the conversation properly, we are talking about a guy on top not the 69 position bro ..
Oily Dragon
Senior Master
In BJJ it's callled "north-south". It's a totally legit position where I crush you inside my Character 2 Adduction Stance, while controlling your legs.read the conversation properly, we are talking about a guy on top not the 69 position bro ..
screamingskull
Orange Belt
Dude....
Ivan
Black Belt
The guy on top is top mount, and the guy on bottom is bottom mount.read the conversation properly, we are talking about a guy on top not the 69 position bro ..
Oily Dragon
Senior Master
I'm sorry, but I give away all the ancient kung fu secrets for free around here.
screamingskull
Orange Belt
well i grabbed his hair & pulled him towards me.. even the example you posted is nothing to worry about.The guy on top is top mount, and the guy on bottom is bottom mount.
can pull his lapel or grab his arm sleeve.
I suggest you look at Kosen Judo
Ivan
Black Belt
Only someone with no training experience would say this. Bottom mount is the worst position to be in on the ground, and pulling their lapel or sleeve would achieve nothing, certainly, it wouldn't help you escape.
screamingskull
Orange Belt
only someone would make a comment like yours ... who clearly has never had a fight outside his dojo.Only someone with no training experience would say this. Bottom mount is the worst position to be in on the ground, and pulling their lapel or sleeve would achieve nothing, certainly, it wouldn't help you escape.
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