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brianhunter
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I just heard a news reports saying soldiers might have just come across (found) a russian chemical warhead anyone else heard about this? Would explain the chemical protection (MOP) suits!
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Ok...Devils Advocate here....the presence of the safety gear does not indicate intent to use, or possesion of the weapons.
I am sure that Iraq does in fact have them (cuz, they used em before). The big question is, if they have em, why havent they used em yet? Obviously the best place to have used em was in the open desert, not in the cities, and it seems like the allies are in the process of laying seige to the main cities while destroying all enemy forces in the field.
The discovery of a couple is to be expected... the discovery of a large cashe on the other hand...thats major...as is the use of such things.
Another point to consider...we most likely do have tactical nukes in the field, as well as chemical warfare agents of our own.
I am sure that Iraq does in fact have them (cuz, they used em before). The big question is, if they have em, why havent they used em yet? Obviously the best place to have used em was in the open desert, not in the cities, and it seems like the allies are in the process of laying seige to the main cities while destroying all enemy forces in the field.
The discovery of a couple is to be expected... the discovery of a large cashe on the other hand...thats major...as is the use of such things.
Another point to consider...we most likely do have tactical nukes in the field, as well as chemical warfare agents of our own.
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brianhunter
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How is that? When have we ever gassed anyone? I was in the 1st Infantry Division 1/16th Infantry (Mechanized Bradley fighting vehicles) When we where organized in a task force we also had Abrahms with us. Thats about as much in the fight as you can get and I never EVER remember us having chemical weapons or being trained to deal with us having them and firing them. I was in that unit a good part of the 90's. What would lead you to think that way?
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brianhunter
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Sorry for the broken post.....but this is an army that wont even buy boots and bullets for its militia and we are actually believing they are issuing "safety" equipment because the US is gonna gas them?
RE: Us use of CW - I remember reading about the previous Gulf war that the US and their allies did have chemical warfare agents, but wouldnt use theirs first. (Sorry, its been a long time since I read that...)
RE: Chem suits - you make a very good point. I'm just giving the benifit of the doubt. It may be that they expect the US to play by their rules. Inseficient data for me to make an accurate judgement...at this time.
Update: More U.S. troops, armor head to Iraq
(CNN) As President Bush declared the war in Iraq would last "however long it takes to win," the Pentagon announced Thursday 120,000 additional troops were being deployed to the region.
Twenty thousand troops from the U.S. 4th Infantry Division will leave Fort Hood, Texas, for Iraq in the next few days, and another 100,000 ground troops have received deployment orders and will head to the Persian Gulf region next month, Pentagon officials said.
The new troops will also include more heavy mechanized divisions, the officials said.
This brings the US Deployment to around 400-450,000 If I remember right...
RE: Chem suits - you make a very good point. I'm just giving the benifit of the doubt. It may be that they expect the US to play by their rules. Inseficient data for me to make an accurate judgement...at this time.
Update: More U.S. troops, armor head to Iraq
(CNN) As President Bush declared the war in Iraq would last "however long it takes to win," the Pentagon announced Thursday 120,000 additional troops were being deployed to the region.
Twenty thousand troops from the U.S. 4th Infantry Division will leave Fort Hood, Texas, for Iraq in the next few days, and another 100,000 ground troops have received deployment orders and will head to the Persian Gulf region next month, Pentagon officials said.
The new troops will also include more heavy mechanized divisions, the officials said.
This brings the US Deployment to around 400-450,000 If I remember right...
BATTLES
U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said that military supplies, including night-vision goggles, are being transported into Iraq from Syria. "We consider such trafficking as hostile acts and will hold the Syrian government responsible for the incidents," Rumsfeld said Friday at a Pentagon briefing.
U.S. Army soldiers defeated Iraqi paramilitary attacks north of Najaf while Marines from the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force advanced beyond Qalat Sikar in southern Iraq, U.S. Central Command spokesman Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks said Friday.
Three U.S. Marine infantry battalions occupy the northern and southern parts of Nasiriya, military officials told CNN Friday. Full Story
The northern Iraqi city of Chamchamal, which is now under the control of Iraqi Kurds, has come under artillery fire from Iraqi positions to the east toward Kirkuk, CNN Correspondent Kevin Sites reported.
Thousands of civilians trying to flee Basra Friday were fired upon by Iraqi paramilitaries, British military officials said. Full Story | Video Securing Basra
An airlift of troops, tanks and equipment continued Friday at the Harir airfield in northern Iraq that 1,000 U.S. paratroopers secured on Thursday. Full Story | Audio Slide Show: Paratroopers drop
About 30,000 troops from the Army's 4th Infantry Division and other units will leave for Iraq in a few days, and another 100,000 ground troops will deploy next month, Pentagon officials said. Full Story
Gallery: War photos | Audio Slide Show: In harm's way
AIRSTRIKES
U.S.-led aircraft unleashed one of the heaviest bombardments on Baghdad overnight, including a strike on Iraq's International Communications Center. Full Story | Animation: 'Bunker-buster' bombs
U.S. special operations aircraft destroyed two Iraqi paramilitary headquarters in Nasiriya, U.S. Central Command spokesman Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks said Friday.
For the second day in a row, coalition airstrikes Friday targeted Iraqi troops along a ridge in northern Iraq near a Kurdish-controlled area, following overnight attacks on the nearby city of Mosul. Full Story
The Republican Guard's Medina Division, which defends Baghdad's southern perimeter, has been badly degraded by constant coalition bombings, a U.S. Army source told CNN Correspondent Walter Rodgers.
Coalition forces destroyed an Iraqi missile launcher near Basra believed to be responsible for missiles fired against Kuwait, military sources told CNN.
U.S. and British forces Friday began preparing an air base in southeast Iraq for use by coalition aircraft, CNN Correspondent Bob Franken reported. Full Story
Weapons: Aircraft, munitions, 3-D models
CASUALTIES
Coalition deaths in the war total 50.
Killed in Action: List of coalition fatalities
Iraq's health minister said Thursday more than 350 Iraqi civilians have been killed in the war. CNN cannot verify Iraq's claims. Full Story
POWs/MIAs
Sixteen Marines are listed as missing after fighting near Nasiriya, military officials said Friday.
U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said that military supplies, including night-vision goggles, are being transported into Iraq from Syria. "We consider such trafficking as hostile acts and will hold the Syrian government responsible for the incidents," Rumsfeld said Friday at a Pentagon briefing.
U.S. Army soldiers defeated Iraqi paramilitary attacks north of Najaf while Marines from the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force advanced beyond Qalat Sikar in southern Iraq, U.S. Central Command spokesman Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks said Friday.
Three U.S. Marine infantry battalions occupy the northern and southern parts of Nasiriya, military officials told CNN Friday. Full Story
The northern Iraqi city of Chamchamal, which is now under the control of Iraqi Kurds, has come under artillery fire from Iraqi positions to the east toward Kirkuk, CNN Correspondent Kevin Sites reported.
Thousands of civilians trying to flee Basra Friday were fired upon by Iraqi paramilitaries, British military officials said. Full Story | Video Securing Basra
An airlift of troops, tanks and equipment continued Friday at the Harir airfield in northern Iraq that 1,000 U.S. paratroopers secured on Thursday. Full Story | Audio Slide Show: Paratroopers drop
About 30,000 troops from the Army's 4th Infantry Division and other units will leave for Iraq in a few days, and another 100,000 ground troops will deploy next month, Pentagon officials said. Full Story
Gallery: War photos | Audio Slide Show: In harm's way
AIRSTRIKES
U.S.-led aircraft unleashed one of the heaviest bombardments on Baghdad overnight, including a strike on Iraq's International Communications Center. Full Story | Animation: 'Bunker-buster' bombs
U.S. special operations aircraft destroyed two Iraqi paramilitary headquarters in Nasiriya, U.S. Central Command spokesman Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks said Friday.
For the second day in a row, coalition airstrikes Friday targeted Iraqi troops along a ridge in northern Iraq near a Kurdish-controlled area, following overnight attacks on the nearby city of Mosul. Full Story
The Republican Guard's Medina Division, which defends Baghdad's southern perimeter, has been badly degraded by constant coalition bombings, a U.S. Army source told CNN Correspondent Walter Rodgers.
Coalition forces destroyed an Iraqi missile launcher near Basra believed to be responsible for missiles fired against Kuwait, military sources told CNN.
U.S. and British forces Friday began preparing an air base in southeast Iraq for use by coalition aircraft, CNN Correspondent Bob Franken reported. Full Story
Weapons: Aircraft, munitions, 3-D models
CASUALTIES
Coalition deaths in the war total 50.
Killed in Action: List of coalition fatalities
Iraq's health minister said Thursday more than 350 Iraqi civilians have been killed in the war. CNN cannot verify Iraq's claims. Full Story
POWs/MIAs
Sixteen Marines are listed as missing after fighting near Nasiriya, military officials said Friday.
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brianhunter
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I appreciate the updates! Its nice to see just the facts without the fluff and bias!
No problem. I intend to continue through out the war, as best as I can find the info. 
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/28/sprj.irq.marine.bodies/index.html
U.S. Marines Friday recovered the bodies of seven fallen comrades who died in intense fighting around Nasiriya in southern Iraqi Sunday, officials said.
The city has been the scene of the fiercest fighting the Marine Corps has been involved in since Vietnam, senior Marines told CNN, and still is not under coalition control five days after coalition forces first engaged Iraqi paramilitaries.
"Marines care for their own," Ritchie said. "And that is in life and in death. And so they see their duty not complete until they are resting in their homeland with their families."
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Pentagon sources told CNN Friday that a B-2 Stealth bomber dropped two 4,500-pound GBU-37 "bunker buster" bombs in Baghdad Thursday. It was the first time the powerful bombs have been used in this war.
(CNN has some good animations on their website of this and other things) http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/war.tracker/index.html
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/28/sprj.irq.marine.bodies/index.html
U.S. Marines Friday recovered the bodies of seven fallen comrades who died in intense fighting around Nasiriya in southern Iraqi Sunday, officials said.
The city has been the scene of the fiercest fighting the Marine Corps has been involved in since Vietnam, senior Marines told CNN, and still is not under coalition control five days after coalition forces first engaged Iraqi paramilitaries.
"Marines care for their own," Ritchie said. "And that is in life and in death. And so they see their duty not complete until they are resting in their homeland with their families."
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Pentagon sources told CNN Friday that a B-2 Stealth bomber dropped two 4,500-pound GBU-37 "bunker buster" bombs in Baghdad Thursday. It was the first time the powerful bombs have been used in this war.
(CNN has some good animations on their website of this and other things) http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/war.tracker/index.html
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AIR WAR
Northern strikes: A pair of U.S. Navy F-14 Tomcats launched an airstrike in northern Iraq about Monday. The F-14s struck a ridge where Iraqi troops have been entrenched about 25 miles east of Mosul.
F-14 Tomcat | 3D model
Back on air: Iraqi Television resumed broadcasting after briefly being taken off the air Monday by coalition bombing. The Iraqi Ministry of Information in central Baghdad also was hit by airstrikes Monday, U.S. Central Command said. Full Story
Baghdad targets: U.S. airstrikes on Baghdad Sunday hit the Abu Gharayb palace and the Rustiybaya barracks, which is home to paramilitary forces loyal to the Iraqi leader, U.S. military officials said.
Republican Guard: Coalition airstrikes on Sunday "pummeled" the Republican Guard's Medina Division near Karbala, a U.S. military official said. Other Republican Guard units also were bombed, including the Hammurabi and Baghdad divisions.
GROUND WAR
Van shooting: U.S. soldiers fired on a van carrying women and children when it failed to stop at a military checkpoint near Najaf, killing seven people and wounding two others, Central Command said Monday.
Iraqi POWs: A Red Cross team met with captured Iraqi troops Monday and plans to hold more meetings later this week, the Red Cross said. A British official said about 8,000 POWs are being held by the coalition, many of whom surrendered.
Nasiriya raids: U.S. Marines staged raids 30 miles north of Nasiriya on Monday in search of Gen. Ali Hassan al Majeed, Saddam Hussein's cousin who commands Iraqi forces in the south, CNN Correspondent Art Harris reported. Full Story
Najaf prisoners: U.S. Army soldiers fought with Iraqis near Najaf, killing more than 100 and capturing about 50, a U.S. official said Monday. Elements of the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division seized an airfield near Najaf without a fight. Full Story
Special operations: Using information from locals, coalition special operation forces are attacking "regime complexes" around Iraq, U.S. Army Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks said Monday.
Air base attack: Brooks also said that U.S. Marines from the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force raided Tallil Air Base in southern Iraq and seized a large weapons cache. Marines also raided Fajr, where they captured Baath Party members, found weapons caches and destroyed Iraqi air defense equipment, Brooks said.
Gallery: War photos
CASUALTIES
Coalition: 67 coalition deaths reported.
List of coalition fatalities
Marines die: Four U.S. Marines were killed when the driver of their tank was shot and the tank plunged into the river, U.S. Central Command said Monday.
POWs/MIAs
Missing or captured: Seven U.S. military members are being held as POWs, and 19 are listed as missing in action.
Coalition POWs/MIAs
HUMANITARIAN RELIEF
Food money: The World Food Program Monday said it received $115 million in cash and assistance three days after launching its $1.3 billion emergency food aid appeal for Iraq.
Clean water: A pipeline began flowing Monday from Kuwait to the Iraqi port city of Umm Qasr to deliver fresh water, U.S. Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks said Monday.
Northern strikes: A pair of U.S. Navy F-14 Tomcats launched an airstrike in northern Iraq about Monday. The F-14s struck a ridge where Iraqi troops have been entrenched about 25 miles east of Mosul.
F-14 Tomcat | 3D model
Back on air: Iraqi Television resumed broadcasting after briefly being taken off the air Monday by coalition bombing. The Iraqi Ministry of Information in central Baghdad also was hit by airstrikes Monday, U.S. Central Command said. Full Story
Baghdad targets: U.S. airstrikes on Baghdad Sunday hit the Abu Gharayb palace and the Rustiybaya barracks, which is home to paramilitary forces loyal to the Iraqi leader, U.S. military officials said.
Republican Guard: Coalition airstrikes on Sunday "pummeled" the Republican Guard's Medina Division near Karbala, a U.S. military official said. Other Republican Guard units also were bombed, including the Hammurabi and Baghdad divisions.
GROUND WAR
Van shooting: U.S. soldiers fired on a van carrying women and children when it failed to stop at a military checkpoint near Najaf, killing seven people and wounding two others, Central Command said Monday.
Iraqi POWs: A Red Cross team met with captured Iraqi troops Monday and plans to hold more meetings later this week, the Red Cross said. A British official said about 8,000 POWs are being held by the coalition, many of whom surrendered.
Nasiriya raids: U.S. Marines staged raids 30 miles north of Nasiriya on Monday in search of Gen. Ali Hassan al Majeed, Saddam Hussein's cousin who commands Iraqi forces in the south, CNN Correspondent Art Harris reported. Full Story
Najaf prisoners: U.S. Army soldiers fought with Iraqis near Najaf, killing more than 100 and capturing about 50, a U.S. official said Monday. Elements of the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division seized an airfield near Najaf without a fight. Full Story
Special operations: Using information from locals, coalition special operation forces are attacking "regime complexes" around Iraq, U.S. Army Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks said Monday.
Air base attack: Brooks also said that U.S. Marines from the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force raided Tallil Air Base in southern Iraq and seized a large weapons cache. Marines also raided Fajr, where they captured Baath Party members, found weapons caches and destroyed Iraqi air defense equipment, Brooks said.
Gallery: War photos
CASUALTIES
Coalition: 67 coalition deaths reported.
List of coalition fatalities
Marines die: Four U.S. Marines were killed when the driver of their tank was shot and the tank plunged into the river, U.S. Central Command said Monday.
POWs/MIAs
Missing or captured: Seven U.S. military members are being held as POWs, and 19 are listed as missing in action.
Coalition POWs/MIAs
HUMANITARIAN RELIEF
Food money: The World Food Program Monday said it received $115 million in cash and assistance three days after launching its $1.3 billion emergency food aid appeal for Iraq.
Clean water: A pipeline began flowing Monday from Kuwait to the Iraqi port city of Umm Qasr to deliver fresh water, U.S. Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks said Monday.
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Elfan
Guest
Kaith, what news sites to you general frequent to find this news?
CNN.com mostly.
Sources are reporting that the rescued American POW is Jessica Lynch.
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cali_tkdbruin
Master of Arts
Yes, I'm sure everyone knows by now, but, MSNBC, CNN, etc., and the army have all confirmed that USA Delta Force operators have rescued our POW, PFC Lynch, from an Iraqi hospital.
Excellent News!
Johnathan Napalm
Black Belt
VICTORY over IRAQ near!
1. The Republican Guards, the Special Republican Guards are in disarray, giving up positions to coalitions without a fight, failure to destroy bridges as they retreat. Chain of command is in a state of confusion.
2. Saddam and his sons have not been seened. Members of his family have been sited in other Arab capitals. Even some of his top military men have fled Iraq. His orders are supposedly read/announced by his henchmen only.
3. Over a half a dozen of his generals have been captured. Even more colonels are POW. US supply convoys are no longer been shot at. A call for artillery fire and machine gun fires from the convoys have silented those attacks, permanently it seems.
4. Iraqi tribes are fighting alongside US special forces in the west and in the south. (The Kurds from the north, of course)
5. Iraqi citizens are guiding coalition troops around minefields, locating ammo storage.
6. In after-battle survey, you will read about how well the US and the British troops have performed. They make you proud. The Brits are truly "magnificent barstards"! The US crack units again live up our finest tradition!
Yet, if you read those Times, Newsweek, newspaper, CNN blah blahblah, you would thought the US was doomed into another Vietnam and Somalia. HA!
1. The Republican Guards, the Special Republican Guards are in disarray, giving up positions to coalitions without a fight, failure to destroy bridges as they retreat. Chain of command is in a state of confusion.
2. Saddam and his sons have not been seened. Members of his family have been sited in other Arab capitals. Even some of his top military men have fled Iraq. His orders are supposedly read/announced by his henchmen only.
3. Over a half a dozen of his generals have been captured. Even more colonels are POW. US supply convoys are no longer been shot at. A call for artillery fire and machine gun fires from the convoys have silented those attacks, permanently it seems.
4. Iraqi tribes are fighting alongside US special forces in the west and in the south. (The Kurds from the north, of course)
5. Iraqi citizens are guiding coalition troops around minefields, locating ammo storage.
6. In after-battle survey, you will read about how well the US and the British troops have performed. They make you proud. The Brits are truly "magnificent barstards"!
The US crack units again live up our finest tradition!Yet, if you read those Times, Newsweek, newspaper, CNN blah blahblah, you would thought the US was doomed into another Vietnam and Somalia. HA!
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cali_tkdbruin
Master of Arts
Lets just wrap up this campaign ASAP, then we can rejoice in victory. There's still plenty of work to be done. In addition, the work will continue long after the coalition victory has been achieved. The US, UK and allies will have to deal with the power vacuum resulting from the evil Saddam's demise, and also we'll have to deal with rebuilding the damaged country. Yes, there is still plenty of work to be done...
Johnathan Napalm
Black Belt
Post war plans have long been created and prepared. It is not an after-thought. Contractors have been invited to bids for rebuilding projects, months BEFORE fighting started.
If you listened to the media, you would think the US was flying blind into this thing and was just hopping along, on its way to doom and gloom.
A lots of pre planning, planning have gone into this long before the first troop set foot on Iraq.
If you listened to the media, you would think the US was flying blind into this thing and was just hopping along, on its way to doom and gloom.
A lots of pre planning, planning have gone into this long before the first troop set foot on Iraq.
I just want to wish all of those fighting for freedom best wishes and good health.
My hopes are that after this is all over that the country and people we are trying to help appreciate what we have done.
My hopes are that after this is all over that the country and people we are trying to help appreciate what we have done.
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cali_tkdbruin
Master of Arts
True, you are correct sir! Long range post war plans were surely in place before the first missle was fired. However, anyone who thinks that we are going to just pack up and leave after the last battle is over is quite mistaken. Our armed forces are going to remain in Iraq for some time after victory has been attained in order to prevent chaos and anarchy, and to help transition in a new Iraqi government. Hence my comment, there is still plenty of work to be done...
Johnathan Napalm
Black Belt
No. We are not going to just fold tent and go home. Troops will be stationed there for a long time.
Johnathan Napalm
Black Belt
Latest intelligence: (Which, like my previous post, you will read about it in the media tommorrow or the coming days)
"....it is safe to say that Saddam and the senior members of his family are no longer at the helm of government. Iraq is undoubtedly in the process of regime change, the main objective of the Iraq War. Anything beyond that is hazy. Other members of the Saddam regime may have seized power after the ruler himself departed. The new ruling caste may be divided between a faction negotiating terms of surrender with the Americans and a second, which is determined to fight on. The whole truth of the days events on April 2 may never be fully discovered. The war may come to an abrupt end, but not the Iraq crisis which promises more upheaval ahead......."
"....In the last week, most Iraqi troops have discovered, or heard, that the coalition troops are equally lethal in cities. While there may be a Battle of Baghdad, the street fighting won't favor the Iraqis. The only other weapon Iraq has is nerve or mustard gas. But to use either of these so close to downtown Baghdad, would kill and injure far more Iraqis than coalition troops......"
The media naysayers are still several days behind interms of battlefield intelligence. The armchair quarterbacks are still talking about "the US facing uncertain options in Baghdad."
"....it is safe to say that Saddam and the senior members of his family are no longer at the helm of government. Iraq is undoubtedly in the process of regime change, the main objective of the Iraq War. Anything beyond that is hazy. Other members of the Saddam regime may have seized power after the ruler himself departed. The new ruling caste may be divided between a faction negotiating terms of surrender with the Americans and a second, which is determined to fight on. The whole truth of the days events on April 2 may never be fully discovered. The war may come to an abrupt end, but not the Iraq crisis which promises more upheaval ahead......."
"....In the last week, most Iraqi troops have discovered, or heard, that the coalition troops are equally lethal in cities. While there may be a Battle of Baghdad, the street fighting won't favor the Iraqis. The only other weapon Iraq has is nerve or mustard gas. But to use either of these so close to downtown Baghdad, would kill and injure far more Iraqis than coalition troops......"
The media naysayers are still several days behind interms of battlefield intelligence. The armchair quarterbacks are still talking about "the US facing uncertain options in Baghdad."
