Chris Parker
Grandmaster
Oh for crying out loud....
Life is not a movie.
Life is not a movie.
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Sorry if it seems exaggerated; if a knife has been pulled, than hasn't the fight been, and our survival?
If someone pulls a knife on me I am making assumptions. They either want to kill me or not. I don't put an in-between as an option. Not concerning my safety.
Knives, to me, are the deadliest weapon.
Because I've found I can combine their use with virtually any movement I can do in martial arts, which tells me I should always be wary.
If I can do a reverse axe-kick cleanly, followed by a reverse hook with the blade pressed against my forearm, and flip the blade to face you and begin 360 slashing in a silat based motion- there's a real problem for anyone unarmed. And that butterfly motion is easy to maintain and overwhelm anyone with.
Hell, out of stupidity I've done jump side-kicks, double front kicks with knives and katana. For the hell of it, it's doable, and I believe that any jackass holding a knife, is dangerous and potentially lethal.
I have never once been lacerated by my own knife, save for one very minor, and embaressing accident at a summer camp in my yonder youth, with a plastic serated butter knife.
If you treat your knife like a gun, and keep the dangerous parts of it aimed apart from you, you will never receive injury.
And ah, to whoever said its not possible to do 6 punches in a second, holy crap are you in for a surprise when you meet the community who actually can. Don't ever assume the impossible in martial arts. Some people have cards up their sleeves you wouldn't believe.
How to knife 'fight' no. Either avoid the fight or bring a gun.
Knowing what to do if a knife is pulled on you, is another thing. That is effective.
They can be applied with any martial art, and are among the easiest weapons to conceal. And to learn to use.
The ah, one 'knife fight' I got into went along the lines of this. Two confronted me, first punched me, next thing I know there's a very visible gleam coming at me. I backed up, had a small piece of elbow knicked off, and then was able to hit the back of his hand as he was overextended and knee the base of the bottom of the wrist. I got to the knife first, confrontation was over. I was 13, they were around same age.
In my experience, knowing how to disarm a knife was life-saving. But to be honest, the technique I ended up using to disarm it was not the one I had been rotely taught.
Knife attacks are a bit like all attacks- they come when your normally least expect them. Problem is with knives, you might be against someone whos not only attacking you, but waiting for you to combatively react, then pull their concealed weapon.
I train with a knife and my real goal for being able to punch 6 times in a second is not just for the punch, but so I could lacerate the other that many times. But is that realistic? At all? No. And I'd be a sociopath if I ever employed it, even in self-defense.
"I have been in simulated knife fights with fellow martial artists, marines, rangers, and Silat and escrimadors. With people who had never tactically held a knife before. No matter how good you get with knives, if someone wants to cut you and knows what they are doing, you will probably be cut very badly, or fatally."
"A real knife attack isnt normally just a clumsy swing or stab or icepick. Its usually stab, then stabstabstabstabstabstab anywhere they can. And that is extremely hard to defend against, let along disarm."
"Rule of thumb I was taught; If they hold the knife by the tang facing forward, that is most preferable. This means they are likely as scared of the knife as you are, which is an advantage, for anytime you place yourself in a way that the weapon may point at them, they may get confused, panic, or fumble. Your chances of giving cut are about 50%. (I'm pretty sure my teacher pulled the statistic out of his ***, but I think it was more about making a point than the numbers)"
If the knife is reversed, with blade facing down, this means it is someone comfortable with the knife, and chances are trained. Your chances of being cut raise to 70%-100%.
"If the blade is held in the what I call 'insano-grip' where the blade is held down, but the blade is facing toward the attacker, this means they are extremely trained, and have no fear of the knife. Additionally, there will be no way to actually block directly. I would not advise engaging anyone holding a knife, but if they are holding it this way, run."
And ah, dont forget just cause a knife has a blade, doesn't mean you HAVE to use it. There is a pommel at the bottom for a reason, and if you ever do get in a confrontation like that, I'd give using the blunt part and knocking them out, than anything else.
You will have to pardon me if I find zero martial value in parlor tricks.And ah, to whoever said its not possible to do 6 punches in a second, holy crap are you in for a surprise when you meet the community who actually can. Don't ever assume the impossible in martial arts. Some people have cards up their sleeves you wouldn't believe.
It reads like Dux autobiography.Oh for crying out loud....
Life is not a movie.
Oh for crying out loud....
Life is not a movie.
More like 90% then, it seems the 60% you give him is stuff he is broadly applying. Thus it's wrong to me. I agree with your responses to him though and see where you are coming from.I wouldn't go that far. Maybe 30% flat out wrong, 60% sometimes wrong/sometimes right/too many variables to say, and 10% more or less spot on.
Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
Fair enough.More like 90% then, it seems the 60% you give him is stuff he is broadly applying. Thus it's wrong to me. I agree with your responses to him though and see where you are coming from.
If you have access to either, when would you choose a pen over a blade? thank you xleft for 5 -1/2 days to die/Vietnam 69/after land mine blast. other serious **** PI 83
I always carry 2 or more knives. practise daily.adddicted to the blade. avoid ifights. but feels good to know/I have defense vs multiples or single attackers. never go outside w/o blade.
one straight razor folder and belt knife.also two pens. anyone saying I caint disable.or kill with simple bic pen is wrong,
What is the situation, Jenna?If you have access to either, when would you choose a pen over a blade? thank you x
I propose two different eventsWhat is the situation, Jenna?
Danny in London I could only carry a non-locking knife w/less than 3in blade, every one has a pen though.. I am wondering for some one like that member cloud dancing who can carry both and seems to know how to use both defensively ie. "anyone saying I caint disable.or kill with simple bic pen is wrong", I wonder under what defensive circumstances would a pen be what you would reach for? JxWhat is the situation, Jenna?
The situation will always depict that action. (or should). Situational awareness and an egress plan.Danny in London I could only carry a non-locking knife w/less than 3in blade, every one has a pen though.. I am wondering for some one like that member cloud dancing who can carry both and seems to know how to use both defensively ie. "anyone saying I caint disable.or kill with simple bic pen is wrong", I wonder under what defensive circumstances would a pen be what you would reach for? Jx
Of course you can use an improvised weapon as a weapon. People have been doing it since forever. The thing is, a knife is a tool which has been optimized for cutting and, usually, stabbing; two things which also tend to optimize it for use as a weapon (defense or offense). A pen, on the other hand, is a tool which has been optimized for writing. The vast majority of pens are only so-so at stabbing, and often just plain bad at it, and no pen that I've ever seen does a particularly good job at cutting. This makes it a less ideal choice for a self defense weapon when compared to an actual knife. Pens have the advantage of not looking like a weapon (because, you know, they're not) which can provide the element of surprise and they can be carried in places where knives are forbidden. Having a poor weapon is generally better than having no weapon at all. But a modern pen is simply never going to be as effective a tool at performing the jobs of a knife as an actual knife is. ...ever.Danny in London I could only carry a non-locking knife w/less than 3in blade, every one has a pen though.. I am wondering for some one like that member cloud dancing who can carry both and seems to know how to use both defensively ie. "anyone saying I caint disable.or kill with simple bic pen is wrong",
When I didn't have a knife, gun, cane, club, slungshot, staff, sword, or some other tool which is actually a weapon.I wonder under what defensive circumstances would a pen be what you would reach for? Jx
Danny in London I could only carry a non-locking knife w/less than 3in blade, every one has a pen though.. I am wondering for some one like that member cloud dancing who can carry both and seems to know how to use both defensively ie. "anyone saying I caint disable.or kill with simple bic pen is wrong", I wonder under what defensive circumstances would a pen be what you would reach for? Jx
Jenna,
You are out for dinner and a drink. The young males a table next to you or over a couple start to get loud. No big deal. No they start to get pushy with other people around them. One can reach for the pen and have it in hand to draw pictures on your napkin, and if they attack you well it is just in your hand. Where as if you clear the blade in the restaurant, many will freak out and believe you have escalated the level of violence potential.