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Biased opinion yet again.People are larger and stronger now, have access to a variety of systems and styles, and have the benefit of sports science.
Its like comparing a football team from early 1900s to a modern NFL team. The NFL team would demolish them and not even break a sweat. The same applies to a modern martial artist/athlete versus a martial artist from centuries ago.
I dunno... I think some of the greatest would still give some of todays best a run for their money ;-) (not in terms of football, but in terms of the arts)
Well I base my opinion not on any perceived "magical power" but on the theory that you never teach someone EVERYTHING you know... So take for instance an art that spans 100 years. Suppose a new generation of instructors comes about every decade... That is 10 times that an instructor has left something out of what they were taught, making the new practitioner less knowledgeable than the first practitioners.
I'll call you again. Show me something other that your biased opinion to back up your claim.Well, that's only if you believe that the old masters had some sort of magical powers.
If we accept that most of the stories about the amazing feats of ancient martial artists are more than likely exaggerations told by disciples or ignorant observers, we can make a better comparison between the old and the new.
I'll call you again. Show me something other that your biased opinion to back up your claim.
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I see a prettier in ring bout. That's about it.
You have to understand with your example that American boxing has a very strict set of rules on what is allowed and what is not. In a real fight, those rules do not exist.
Its not just prettier, its rapid evasion with knockout power.
Do you really believe that if someone moves and fights like that at that size, the rules matter?
Now granted, if you can get him to the ground, you have a chance, but stand up? My money is on Tyson in his prime.
If your going to compare one of the best boxers of all time vs a regular martial artist of course Tyson wins. He's one of the best. But take average nonprofessional normal guy in a modern martial arts class from today vs average martial artist from150 years ago. Old guys going to win more times then loose. Modern man has more sedentary lifestyle.
If your going to make comparisons you need apples to apples not Tyson in his prime vs some random kung fun guy from the 1950s
If you qualify your statements you will find people agreeing with you. If you make sweeping generalisations it just makes for disagreement. Even with these videos you are comparing apples and oranges. If you want to discuss boxing, sure. Tyson was great but was he better than Sullivan? Sure training methods are much better now and all the dietary stuff, but was one really better than the other? What about Jack Johnson? He retired undefeated. You can discuss this type of thing endlessly. We don't have to 'accept' anything.
I would say that modern fighting is better than this. Wouldn't you?
Chinese boxing versus American boxing.
Again your talking professional athletes vs normal people. FFootball players 100 Year ago worked real jobs during most of the year and only played football a few months. Players today train and work out all year long. But again if we go apples to apples a normal martial artist today vs normal martial artist 200 yrs ago. Old guy trained to save his life. Modern guy trains for fun.The point is though the majority of people today live a easier lifestyle, the people who do train to fight are stronger, faster, and technically superior than their old school counterparts. They have the physical advantage, an endless supply of knowledge from a wide range of martial disciplines, along with the advancements of science and modern medicine. Again, its like a football team from 100 years ago going up against an NFL team, or even a college football team. The difference in athleticism is simply too large to overcome.
Both of those men in that old Chinese videos were grandmasters of their respective styles. Using the logic of some in this thread, those two guys should be superior to most CMA practitioners today, since that bout occurred 60 years ago.
The point is though the majority of people today live a easier lifestyle, the people who do train to fight are stronger, faster, and technically superior than their old school counterparts. They have the physical advantage, an endless supply of knowledge from a wide range of martial disciplines, along with the advancements of science and modern medicine. Again, its like a football team from 100 years ago going up against an NFL team, or even a college football team. The difference in athleticism is simply too large to overcome.
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Both of those men in that old Chinese videos were grandmasters of their respective styles. Using the logic of some in this thread, those two guys should be superior to most CMA practitioners today, since that bout occurred 60 years ago.