Is being a cop self defense

[Tgace]

If we are talking about physical self defense (fighting vs situational awareness) someone is applying violence on you out of anger, criminal intent, sexual gratification, etc. You don't know what that persons intent is or what it may become. A drunken fight between brothers can turn into a shooting or stabbing.

In sport, death is accidental and seldom part of an intentional act. You opponent isn't going to suddenly pull a knife.

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[Tgace]

What's the difference between paintball and combat? A paintball in the eye may kill you.

Kendo vs a sword fight?

These Knight recreation sports with armor and steel swords vs actual medieval warfare?

If it's "real world", uncontrolled and anything may happen. I would call it " self defense ".

Images of Airsoft players acting as if they are the equivalent of combat veterans play through my head.

I'm settling on some phrases that may apply. One that sort of encapsulates my thoughts......" Its more the situation than the skills or tools."

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[Steve]

Okay. Sounds good. So it's intent that matters. Accidental death is not self defense, Makes sense. But you also bring up the weapon issue. Is that material?

And as I think about it, I don't know about the accidental thing. I mean, criminals, even violent criminals, aren't always looking to kill someone. Only a very small percentage of violent crime ends in death. But I think we can all agree that defending against these qualifies.

Once again, to bring it back to my main point, I'm not suggesting that MMA cage fighting is self defense, I AM questioning the common belief that working as a cop is equivalent and more applicable to civilian self defense than being a cage fighter. There is overlap with both, but civilian self defense just isn't the same as being a cop on the street taking down a drug crazed junkie, in much the same way that stepping into a cage is not the same.

 

[Tgace]

A criminals intent to kill or not isn't really a concern from the other person's end. You simply don't know. That "possible" intent (or change in intent) is always in play.

It's not in sport.

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[Tgace]

"Dealing with interpersonal violence outside of a controlled environment."

"Self defense is a situation. Not a technique or a system."

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[Tgace]

I think an average LE street encounter is more SD than an MMA match.

But that is a different issue from who has more expertise.

A woman mugged for her purse is in more of a SD situation than an MMA fighter but that doesn't make her a SD expert either.

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[drop bear]

I think an average LE street encounter is more SD than an MMA match.

But that is a different issue from who has more expertise.

A woman mugged for her purse is in more of a SD situation than an MMA fighter but that doesn't make her a SD expert either.

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Yeah. But from the other way around.

As a security guard tactically. the guys we have to get physical with are closer to a self defence situation than we are generally.

We are the ones that ambush with numbers and forewarning.

 

[drop bear]

A criminals intent to kill or not isn't really a concern from the other person's end. You simply don't know. That "possible" intent (or change in intent) is always in play.

It's not in sport.

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They can only kill you if they beat you. For the most part this criminal intent is rubbish. If you are not conditioned to take punishment your intent is a very superficial advantage.

Fighting is harder in practice than it is in most peoples heads. It is like holding your breath until you pass out. You can intend to do it all you want. But to actually achieve a thing is different.

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lack of conditioning makes cowards of us all.

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[Tgace]

You confuse the mechanics with the mentality...

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[Phobius]

They can only kill you if they beat you. For the most part this criminal intent is rubbish. If you are not conditioned to take punishment your intent is a very superficial advantage.

Fighting is harder in practice than it is in most peoples heads. It is like holding your breath until you pass out. You can intend to do it all you want. But to actually achieve a thing is different.

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lack of conditioning makes cowards of us all.

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I want to disagree. If someone intends to kill you that intention will bring them across a line you yourself dare not go. Meaning they will not surrender where most would because in their view there is no way to accept failure, while in your mind there is always the thought that even if you lose things might just work out anyway.

There is an old saying that has been proven time and time again in war, never put your enemies back up against a wall. Instead give them the option to flee and see their likelyhood of victory diminish by the second.

Morale is important not only for squads and armies but also for a single person, when morale breaks so does the will to continue fighting. Pain or no pain.

 

[drop bear]

I want to disagree. If someone intends to kill you that intention will bring them across a line you yourself dare not go. Meaning they will not surrender where most would because in their view there is no way to accept failure, while in your mind there is always the thought that even if you lose things might just work out anyway.

There is an old saying that has been proven time and time again in war, never put your enemies back up against a wall. Instead give them the option to flee and see their likelyhood of victory diminish by the second.

Morale is important not only for squads and armies but also for a single person, when morale breaks so does the will to continue fighting. Pain or no pain.

There is a saying in war. "Speed surprise aggression" designed to give the other guy no choice but to surrender Their intent to kill you breaks, their will crumbles.

I have flogged plenty of peoples intent to kill me out of them. And I generally didn't even have to hurt them that badly. I just had to make fighting me hard.

And you can fight all sorts of hard without coming anywhere near killing someone.

Your average kill fighter is not going to last five minutes in a cage. He dosent have the fitness. He dosent have the defence and he dosent have the will power. If all he has is intent to kill then his fighting ability is based on a house of cards.

Kill fighters are the majority predators and predators don't expend effort on their prey

 

[Phobius]

I feel sorry for you if so many people wished you genuinely dead. But as long as you live to continue posting here there was a good end to it all.

Problem is that a killer does not walk into a cage to fight, and a fight on the street does not last minutes. Also a person on the street when losing will grab whatever straw possible. If they really wish to kill they might get beaten and leave but there is that constant risk you will meet them again sometime soon.

Next time is a new self defense situation with an intent to kill you only the odds are against you this time if you already shown your abilities to fight. So there is a risk we better avoid by staying in cages.

 

[drop bear]

I feel sorry for you if so many people wished you genuinely dead. But as long as you live to continue posting here there was a good end to it all.

Problem is that a killer does not walk into a cage to fight, and a fight on the street does not last minutes. Also a person on the street when losing will grab whatever straw possible. If they really wish to kill they might get beaten and leave but there is that constant risk you will meet them again sometime soon.

Next time is a new self defense situation with an intent to kill you only the odds are against you this time if you already shown your abilities to fight. So there is a risk we better avoid by staying in cages.

A lot of presumptions about street fights. I thought there were no rules.

 

[Phobius]

A lot of presumptions about street fights. I thought there were no rules.

No, there are no rules. Which means there could be rules. Since otherwise the rule would state there are no rules.

You have to be prepared for anything that could be harmful to you at all times.

But from what I wrote, there was no presumptions about street fight, we were talking about killing intent. Street fights may or may not at any point in time contain a killing intent, you never know. In a cage fight you never have to worry about such a thing, or at least you never will because if you did you would not go into the ring unless they paid you a fortune. If they paid you so much to fight you would not be on this forum writing.

 

[drop bear]

No, there are no rules. Which means there could be rules. Since otherwise the rule would state there are no rules.

You have to be prepared for anything that could be harmful to you at all times.

But from what I wrote, there was no presumptions about street fight, we were talking about killing intent. Street fights may or may not at any point in time contain a killing intent, you never know. In a cage fight you never have to worry about such a thing, or at least you never will because if you did you would not go into the ring unless they paid you a fortune. If they paid you so much to fight you would not be on this forum writing.

I did really real fights for $28 an hour. Working clubs. People get paid not much to do silly things.

No rules? No presumptions?
What are these?

a fight on the street does not last minutes

Also a personon thestreet when losing will grab whatever straw possible

. If theyreally wish to kill they might get beaten and leave but there isthat constant risk you will meet them again sometime soon.

 

[Phobius]

I did really real fights for $28 an hour. Working clubs. People get paid not much to do silly things.

No rules? No presumptions?
What are these?

Awareness of risks. Possibilities.

 

[drop bear]

Awareness of risks. Possibilities.

Lol. Just possibilities. I will bear that in mind if i ever have to argue the street.

 

[Phobius]

Do that, not considering those aspects can endanger your life.

 

[Steve]

Awareness of risks. Possibilities.

Huh? Not presumptions? Can you explain the difference between a possibility and a presumption? I can't tell the difference. At the risk of being presumptuous, I think it is possible that a presumption can be a possibility. I actually think that this is pretty typical.

 

[Steve]

What's the difference between paintball and combat? A paintball in the eye may kill you.

Kendo vs a sword fight?

These Knight recreation sports with armor and steel swords vs actual medieval warfare?

If it's "real world", uncontrolled and anything may happen. I would call it " self defense ".

Images of Airsoft players acting as if they are the equivalent of combat veterans play through my head.

I'm settling on some phrases that may apply. One that sort of encapsulates my thoughts......" Its more the situation than the skills or tools."

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thanks, tgace. I think I get it. But once again, i wonder how relevant ltaking down and subduing a pcp crazed junkie while in tactical gear is useful for an average citizen?

My opinion is that the situations a cop experiences while on duty are largely irrelevant to someone who is not a cop, and also mostly to a cop who is not on duty.