drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Side control escape but you finish in that. "ground is full of poo sobi must stand up" position.
I'm sorry, but this whole "Anti-Grappling" thing horrifies me
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Side control escape but you finish in that. "ground is full of poo sobi must stand up" position.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Hanzou
Grandmaster
No offense taken.
Well, that's not really what I was talking about. I was talking about this stuff;
Is Qinna really all that different from what you see out of Jujutsu? Additionally, I went through an older Qinna book by Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming, and it had no ground applications to speak of, nor much of anything to oppose a wrestler-style takedown.
As I have pointed this out many times, strikers don't train those skills that's needed to "deal with" wrestlers' takedown (such as "avoid to be on the bottom"). The best they can do is to "avoid it". IMO, just to "avoid it" is far from enough.
If we put this in 3 categories:
1. avoid it (avoid take down),
2. deal with it (avoid to be on the bottom),
3. counter it (get back on top fom the bottom),
2 and 3 will require different skill set than 1 will require.
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Hanzou
Grandmaster
Well keep in mind, when I say "comfortable on your back" I'm not saying you take a nap while someone tries to escape your guard. I'm saying you're not freaking out because you're on your back and someone is on top of you. Which frankly is an excellent skill to have.
Additionally if I'm holding you down in my guard, you shouldn't be hitting me either, since its four limbs against two.
I can't believe anybody would want to disagree with you on that. That statement can be considered almost as the "end of discussion".
When
- Bill Gates saw the Apple Lisa UI, he said, "I want it." Bill didn't mind to "evolve", that's why he succeeds.
- I saw the Zerox Star UI, I said, "I want it", but my IBM vice-president said, "That's not IBM (does this sound very familiar?)". IBM didn't want to "evolve" and killed my "ACE project", that's why IBM lose that battle.
Believe it or not, during that battle, one senior IBM guy made the following statement, "Those nice desktop Icons are cute, but it will hurt our IBM seriouse business image. We don't need window system (ground skill), as long as we can let our customers to type letter (kick), put up spread sheet (punch), and draw some business chart (take down), that will be all we need."
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drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Well keep in mind, when I say "comfortable on your back" I'm not saying you take a nap while someone tries to escape your guard. I'm saying you're not freaking out because you're on your back and someone is on top of you. Which frankly is an excellent skill to have.
Additionally if I'm holding you down in my guard, you shouldn't be hitting me either, since its four limbs against two.
Either you can trust me on this or roll with punches.
But guard is not a fun place to play from.
Hanzou
Grandmaster
What makes you think I don't roll with punches?
The guard IS a dominant position, which is why people have had to devise various clever ways to pass it. You're not going to break everyone's guard by smashing them in the face with punches all the time. Especially if that person is a superior grappler than you are.
Your level of "fun" depends on how good you are from that position. There's plenty of guys who are wizards from that position, and purposely would fight from that position if the situation warrants it.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Dominant in bjj. Not dominant in mma.
Hanzou
Grandmaster
Are you saying that guys in MMA aren't subbed from guard? I would wager that more guys in MMA have been subbed in guard, than have been knocked out from GNP while in their guards.
Hanzou
Grandmaster
Yeah, I've read that article before. Its worth pointing out that the modern day rules of MMA work against the guard. Despite that, I highly doubt we're going to see MMA guys stop training the guard position anytime soon.
Additionally we're talking about self defense, not MMA.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Less training in re guarding. Which is a bit different. And if you cant sub a guy in five minutes who is beating on you then that does not bode well for SD either.
Hanzou
Grandmaster
Well its pretty hard to sub a mostly naked and sweaty guy who is just as good at grappling as you are. It's additionally tough when the ref will stand you up if there's no "action" going on. Quite a bit different than a SD situation right?
That said, I think this is a good topic drop bear. I'll start a new thread about it.
Well its pretty hard to sub a mostly naked and sweaty guy .....Quite a bit different than a SD situation right?
I guess it depends what part of town you're in
Vajramusti
Master Black Belt
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If you know the train I am on
You will know that I am gone-a hundred miles.
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
What makes someone a "master" of chin na, is not that they can take a technique and make it work whenever they want.
It's someone who's practiced the technique thousands of times and knows when to apply it.
This doesn't matter whether one is standing, sitting or lying on the ground.
It's someone who's practiced the technique thousands of times and knows when to apply it.
This doesn't matter whether one is standing, sitting or lying on the ground.
Vajramusti
Master Black Belt
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Can someone with china post the 14 pages on a MMA forum?
