if you want to groin kick. train the inside leg kick.
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Earl Weiss
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1. I am a big fan of names that are intuitive as well, butt sometimes they are only easily understood because the name has been explained or understood. take for instance;
2. "Roundhouse" do you really go around some house as you do the kick? IIRC the name of course is an extension of the name for the hand tehnique which went around the guard (house) of the opponent resulting in the shorthand "'round house"
It's like cocking the leg before shooting the foot out. There's a thread here discussing it ... Wing Chun Kicking No chambering required. MartialTalk.Com - Friendly Martial Arts Forum Community
Here's an example from karate.
Earl Weiss
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It's a gun analogy. Before you can shoot the bullet, it has to move or be put into the Chamber of the weapon.
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drop bear
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May God help you if you ever encounter a Muay Thai kick! They have far more power and are even harder to stop.
who did you train Thai with?
Yeah fella, that is why I thought it was a strange term to use. Thanks.
ballen0351
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What's this Karate Champs name? What's he a champ of? And why if you see him chamber do you stand there and let him kick you?
I had a different interpretation of what the chamber means, as in being an integral part of the kick as in the following video at 0:36. At 0:27 he telegraphs the kick.
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Thank you k-man, that was very useful.
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drop bear
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ballen0351
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So because he teaches you how to kick you let him kick you?
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drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
there is confusion here. K man can see the chamber and finds the power of that sort of kick lacking
i find he kicks quite effective.
@drop bear. I take when you let the instructor kick you, you are padded up?
There are pros and cons to chambering your kicks, and I certainly won't argue with someone who prefers one over the other. That said, chambering kicks predates point sparring in quite a number of systems and there are plenty of karate/kung fu/savate/etc practitioners out there who can deliver chambered kicks which are both powerful and hard to read.
I think we may have another failure to communicate here. No one said that you need a training partner acting out his reaction in order to train a groin kick (or any other kick). The points made were that you might want your training partner acting out a reaction ...
a) in a demo, such as the one being discussed in the previous thread, or
b) when training a specific sequence that builds off of a specific reaction to your initial strike.
This isn't specific to groin kicks. Let's say you wanted to drill or demo a combination where you lift your opponent's chin up with an uppercut in order to expose him to a right cross. Are you really going to hit your training partner with a full strength uppercut every time you demo or drill the combination?
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drop bear
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I don't have an issue with demos or drills. I have an issue with only training demos and drills.
it is rare that we would drill a strike that requires our posture to be broken. So the uppercut probably wouldn't tip the chin up in a drill.
most of our striking drills are Dutch drills.
i am trying to think of a striking circumstance where we would do that. We would certainly give a feed like a slow strike.
it may tip the chin up in sparring. In which case you could practice it there.
it is rare that we would drill a strike that requires our posture to be broken. So the uppercut probably wouldn't tip the chin up in a drill.
most of our striking drills are Dutch drills.
i am trying to think of a striking circumstance where we would do that. We would certainly give a feed like a slow strike.
it may tip the chin up in sparring. In which case you could practice it there.
I absolutely agree with you there. I'm not sure anyone was advocating only training demos and drills, though.
That's fair enough. I don't consider drilling sequences which build on expected reactions to being hit an essential part of my training either. That said, they have their place in many peoples training. As long as you don't exclusively train for the reactions you imagine you are going to get, I don't think it's a problem.
It's like a spring. You have to compress it first so when you release it, you will generate the maximum power. Unfortunately in combat, when both you and your opponent are moving in combat speed, you may not have the luxury to do your "maximum compression".
I do agree that "maximum compression" may telegraph your intention sometime.
Yeah surely. I would also think that some moves would be quite obvious, like a ankle tap for example.
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