It is both historical and functional. Refuting from a historical perspective any claims that General Choi eliminated "Hip Twist" as an element to generate power with hand techniques, and the functionality or lack thereof if such claim were accurate. Further, in these particular examples there is a slight functional modification due to the designation as "Fast" .
Look at time stamp 16seconds when he says "not that way" and watch his shoulder motion he refers to.
This is my take on it as well. The student didn't seem to be overly twisting his hips, but his left shoulder didn't seem to be squared after the punch. This is generally not good in karate. It also appeared that Gen. Choi was telling the student not to pull his shoulder back (winding up) prior to the punch, which, IMO, is good advice.
Agree. Also, it greatly telegraphs the upcoming punch as vertical motion is easier to detect than a horizontal motion coming straight at you.
If by body you mean the hips, I agree for the most part. Turning the whole body (not keeping the shoulders squared) is counter to most karate doctrine. In contrast, I think some CMA power generation does twist the body when striking.
At :16, Choi brings both his hip and shoulder back saying, "Never twist your body." At :20 and :31, he doesn’t as much and says, “This is fast motion.”
Some southern CMA system (such as WC) also don't twist the body and keep the shoulder squared so both hands can have the same reach. Does karate use that same argument?
Keeping the shoulders square after a punch allows both hands to quickly follow-up and improves body structure integrity to keep the opponent from gaining control of the arm as the shoulders are retracted and anchored. Sanchin kata well illustrates this.
Thanks did he have a concept about using the body to drive power into the punch?
I think the same could be said for how many things are performed in TMA forms. Perhaps that is why forms comprise just one of the 5 elements contained in the composition of Tk-D.
That is correct. He does not say it is this or that. Both are used together. It is easy to see a snippet and misunderstand the intent of a lesson.
Don't know how you define "Drive Power" but this is how I see Sine wave. It is the flexion of the knee or knees which facilitates employing the whole body to drive power. Some boxing boos refer to the use of the legs to generate punching power. There is also the idea of kinetic linking. It is this flexing that results in a smooth rising and lowering f the body that he metaphorically called "Sine wave" so he could contrast it with "Flat Wave" and "Saw Tooth Wave" Not every hand technique in his pattern system uses it. Simple example would be hand techniques done while jumping.
Such as....?
This is the major difference between northern CMA and southern CMA.
Boxing’s rear straight power generation (kinetic chain) is different and more powerful than the sine wave. The sine wave reverse punch lands after both heels are raised, front knee is flexed and body is lowered. The boxing rear straight lands after weight is transferred to the front foot. (Anthony Joshua does a pull counter and lands the rear cross below.)
As far as telegraphing in TMA forms, you will find many "Chambers" That are very large motions, and even things done in slow motion. I don't think forms were ever intended to be the sole method to train for Combat, Self Defense, or Sparring for any system.
1. The video you show does have the person raising the lead heel and IMO this is not correct. General Choi was focusing on something else so it was not addressed. In any event I will see if I can find the video where the person (Non - Tk-D) is doing different 3 methods of punching on a power cube. Of course he does not call one of the methods "SW" but that is what it is. He also mentions how boxers will use all 3. It would be expected that not all boxers would use this for every punch and did not meant to imply that.
Right. What he says I said and posted various times before. The boxing rear cross is an up -> down -> up movement.
As you probably know, Okinawan karate was modified after introduction into the Japanese public schools and eventually exported to Korea. During this process the meaning/purpose of some techniques were discarded in favor of simplicity and safety. Emphasis was put on execution of individual technique and form, sometimes out of context from the self-defense situation for which it was originally designed. Competition encouraged over-exaggeration and dramatic elements to be included in the forms/kata. This is the distorted lens thru which many view karate leading to misunderstanding what the moves were intended to represent.
100% true. Forms are for transmission of knowledge and solo practice. There is no substitute for a living body in front of you executing attacks upon your person to prepare you for self-defense or sport combat.
