General Choi telling a North Korean NOT to twist his body when punching. "Just go up"

[Earl Weiss]

What is the importance about this conversation? what changes if either side "wins the disagreement" is it historical accuor functional accuracy? I'm not a TKD so I'm curious about the value of this for TKD people. I'm not trying to be rude. I just don't know any other way to ask.

It is both historical and functional. Refuting from a historical perspective any claims that General Choi eliminated "Hip Twist" as an element to generate power with hand techniques, and the functionality or lack thereof if such claim were accurate. Further, in these particular examples there is a slight functional modification due to the designation as "Fast" .

 

[Earl Weiss]

Here is a video where Choi says, "Never twist your body, use only sine wave. This is fast motion [unmute volume]."

https://imgur.com/XBb23qn

Look at time stamp 16seconds when he says "not that way" and watch his shoulder motion he refers to.

 

[isshinryuronin]

Note he doesn't say "Don't Twist your hips" he says don't "Twist your Body" which in my opinion is targeting excessive shoulder turn more than deletion of using the hips and abdomen.

This is my take on it as well. The student didn't seem to be overly twisting his hips, but his left shoulder didn't seem to be squared after the punch. This is generally not good in karate. It also appeared that Gen. Choi was telling the student not to pull his shoulder back (winding up) prior to the punch, which, IMO, is good advice.

The Sin wave compressing time is too long.

Agree. Also, it greatly telegraphs the upcoming punch as vertical motion is easier to detect than a horizontal motion coming straight at you.

Also, without body rotation, the releasing force is not fully.

If by body you mean the hips, I agree for the most part. Turning the whole body (not keeping the shoulders squared) is counter to most karate doctrine. In contrast, I think some CMA power generation does twist the body when striking.

 

[marvin8]

Look at time stamp 16seconds when he says "not that way" and watch his shoulder motion he refers to.

At :16, Choi brings both his hip and shoulder back saying, "Never twist your body." At :20 and :31, he doesn’t as much and says, “This is fast motion.”

https://imgur.com/ddKdgLB

At 3:07 of your video in post #17, Choi says, "In taekwondo, we have two ways: 1) hip & abdomen move sideways and 2) up & down [while gesturing punching]."

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Turning the whole body (not keeping the shoulders squared) is counter to most karate doctrine. In contrast, I think some CMA power generation does twist the body when striking.

Some southern CMA system (such as WC) also don't twist the body and keep the shoulder squared so both hands can have the same reach. Does karate use that same argument?

 

[isshinryuronin]

Some southern CMA system (such as WC) also don't twist the body and keep the shoulder squared so both hands can have the same reach. Does karate use that same argument?

Keeping the shoulders square after a punch allows both hands to quickly follow-up and improves body structure integrity to keep the opponent from gaining control of the arm as the shoulders are retracted and anchored. Sanchin kata well illustrates this.

 

[JowGaWolf]

It is both historical and functional. Refuting from a historical perspective any claims that General Choi eliminated "Hip Twist" as an element to generate power with hand techniques, and the functionality or lack thereof if such claim were accurate. Further, in these particular examples there is a slight functional modification due to the designation as "Fast" .

Thanks did he have a concept about using the body to drive power into the punch?