Face punch and low kick - the only two strikes you'll ever need(?)

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I have downloaded about 600GB worth of fighting tournament footage of all kinds from Tang Soo Do to Muay Thai, as well as hundreds of videos of real-life altercations.

The two techniques that seem to most commonly end a fight - by either a.) knocking the opponent out, b.) knocking the opponent down, or c.) forcing the opponent to stop fighting due to pain - are face punches and low kicks.

The face punch typically knocks people out when thrown with the back hand - usually as a cross, overhand, or hook - while the reverse roundhouse kick to the legs typically knocks people down when they are off balance or when the user grabs a hold of the opponent's other leg. The face punch typically ends the fight via knockout while the low kick typically ends the fight via knockdown.

There are very few other striking techniques that seem to end fights. Occasionally, a good front kick, knee, spinning back kick, or spinning hook kick will end a fight, but the success rate is low and the timing has to be really good.

Not only that, but of the videos of real-life fights I have seen, people seem to just be throwing punches wildly and occasionally throwing a low kick. Rarely do you see any other technique being used. And these two techniques seem to be pretty effective in that regard.

So in a nutshell, the two striking techniques that seem to be most reliable at ending fights are a reverse punch to the face and a reverse roundhouse kick to the legs.

This begs the question: are these the only two strikes that people need for self defense? If someone only trains these two techniques for several years, focusing on timing/power/etc, and of course practicing on a resisting opponent, can they reliably defend themselves?

P.S. There is actually a fighting style that partially embraces the "reverse techniques only" idea:

 
I assume you're talking about the rear hand straight punch (cross) and rear leg low kick.
This begs the question: are these the only two strikes that people need for self defense?
If someone only trains these two techniques for several years, focusing on timing/power/etc, and of course practicing on a resisting opponent, can they reliably defend themselves?
If the other guy can fight, you better have a more complete set of tools, if only to 1) set up your "go-to" strikes; 2) avoid being read (which gets you countered hard).

Would training those win you fights? Probably. But so would training, say, one particular judo throw. Most people who engage in street fights are untrained, and half of them win, so I suspect that having a strong tool would give one an advantage.
 
I assume you're talking about the rear hand straight punch (cross) and rear leg low kick.

If the other guy can fight, you better have a more complete set of tools, if only to 1) set up your "go-to" strikes; 2) avoid being read (which gets you countered hard).

Would training those win you fights? Probably. But so would training, say, one particular judo throw. Most people who engage in street fights are untrained, and half of them win, so I suspect that having a strong tool would give one an advantage.
On the note about "guys who can fight," I notice they fall into two categories:
-People who are confident enough to fight at 100% when there is a threat of danger. These people tend to be unintelligent criminals with zero survival instinct and I notice they tend to use mostly upper-body techniques and grabs.
-People who study a fighting style but get nervous when someone threatens to hurt them and thus cannot fight at 100% capability when attacked. These people tend to be normal, functional human beings who don't often get into real altercations. They may also be less physically strong, meaning any sophisticated techniques or strategies might not work too well against your average psycho.

The first category is most likely to be the aggressor, while the second one is most likely to be the defender. Therefore, I think that simply training how to beat an attacker into submission with a few powerful "instinctive" techniques like the cross (and of course strengthening yourself to the point where these techniques are actually useful) could be more effective than formulating an actual fighting strategy in one's head. In other words, the traditional Karate philosophy of turning your limbs into weapons that you can just bash an aggressor over the head with seems useful.

Just my philosophy, I guess. Maybe I'm too lazy to learn more complicated fighting strategies. :happy:
 
The lead left hook finishes fights. And a lot of people only train for rights in the self defence world.

If i was going to just walk up and king hit someoneit wouldbe a left hook, uppercutor undercu.

The head kick finishes people as well. Especially the lead left. And again a lot of people don't train for it.

 
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The lead left hook finishes fights. And a lot of people only train for rights in the self defence world.

If i was going to just walk up and king hit someoneit wouldbe a left hook, uppercutor undercu.

The head kick finishes people as well. Especially the lead left. And again a lot of people don't train for it.

Lead left hook makes sense. But wouldn't it take longer to train power on that technique vs a rear hook, or even just a cross?

As for head kicks, isn't it easy to be swept/thrown down when you use them? Also, flexibility takes time to train.
 
Lead left hook makes sense. But wouldn't it take longer to train power on that technique vs a rear hook, or even just a cross?

As for head kicks, isn't it easy to be swept/thrown down when you use them? Also, flexibility takes time to train.
You're assuming the only people you'll ever fight are the unintelligent criminal that can't fight or the frightened martial artist. Which of those two is going to successfully counter a headkick with a sweep or throw?
 
The chances that I'll ever need my self-defense skills are vanishingly low, period. I base this on my geography and concomitant crime rates, my lack of desire to visit risky places or do sketchy things, my age, and so on. I'm luckier than most and I realize it; but most of us are not in immediate danger every time we step outside our doors. I acknowledge that such places exist.

If I was concerned primarily with self-defense, I would concentrate on techniques similar to those you have described. I doubt I'd spend a lot of time or effort learning TMA. I suspect I'd be more interested in carrying a weapon (I do not carry weapons).

However, that's not why I train. Self-defense skills just happen to be included in the basket of interesting things that I happen to enjoy.

To each their own. There is no one right way.
 
The chances that I'll ever need my self-defense skills are vanishingly low, period. I base this on my geography and concomitant crime rates, my lack of desire to visit risky places or do sketchy things, my age, and so on. I'm luckier than most and I realize it; but most of us are not in immediate danger every time we step outside our doors. I acknowledge that such places exist.

If I was concerned primarily with self-defense, I would concentrate on techniques similar to those you have described. I doubt I'd spend a lot of time or effort learning TMA. I suspect I'd be more interested in carrying a weapon (I do not carry weapons).

However, that's not why I train. Self-defense skills just happen to be included in the basket of interesting things that I happen to enjoy.

To each their own. There is no one right way.
The first part is a super good point. I think we should treat our fists as guns, i.e. a one-trick pony that ideally you'll never need, but that can put someone to sleep when necessary. Focusing on destructive power and accuracy, rather than technique and strategy, helps with this.
 
The first part is a super good point. I think we should treat our fists as guns, i.e. a one-trick pony that ideally you'll never need, but that can put someone to sleep when necessary. Focusing on destructive power and accuracy, rather than technique and strategy, helps with this.
That's not actually what I meant, but OK.

Speaking personally, as an older man with a number of age-related physical infirmities, I am much more at home with stealth and guile (technique and strategy) these days. Your mileage may vary.
 
The chances that I'll ever need my self-defense skills are vanishingly low, period. I base this on my geography and concomitant crime rates, my lack of desire to visit risky places or do sketchy things, my age, and so on
Maybe it's just because of your charisma and the steely glint in your eye.
If I was concerned primarily with self-defense, I would concentrate on techniques similar to those you have described.
A small handful of techniques will serve in 95% of self-defense situations. A roundhouse kick to the knee (inside or out) and reverse punch is a great combo and would be my barebones go-to. My top 10 list would include:

Reverse punch
Uppercut
Leg kicks (2) to knee joint and thigh
Elbow strikes (2) inside and upward
Takedown (2) inside and outside
Block & grab (2) high and mid - will set up all the above

Whether you have 2, 10 or 50 techniques in your tool bag the trick is not how strong or fast they are (but that will help a lot!) it's being in range, staying balanced, having a strong spirit and having the right timing. Can't forget about these. I think these skills are more important than being overly concerned on the specific technique itself.
 
Maybe it's just because of your charisma and the steely glint in your eye.
It's really just a basic understanding of crime statistics and comparing them to such things as natural disasters, house fires, floods, and so on. And of course, experience. I've been through a number of natural disasters and household accidents, but it's been decades since I was in a bar fight, and since I don't go in bars anymore, well...

As to my steely glint, I kind of doubt it. I strive for 'not worth it' as a vibe, that's all. Yeah, you can take me. It will hurt and you probably can find someone easier to take on. Not worth the effort.

A small handful of techniques will serve in 95% of self-defense situations. A roundhouse kick to the knee (inside or out) and reverse punch is a great combo and would be my barebones go-to. My top 10 list would include:

Reverse punch
Uppercut
Leg kicks (2) to knee joint and thigh
Elbow strikes (2) inside and upward
Takedown (2) inside and outside
Block & grab (2) high and mid - will set up all the above

Whether you have 2, 10 or 50 techniques in your tool bag the trick is not how strong or fast they are (but that will help a lot!) it's being in range, staying balanced, having a strong spirit and having the right timing. Can't forget about these. I think these skills are more important than being overly concerned on the specific technique itself.
I think knowing CPR and having a fire extinguisher handy is more likely to be useful. Fighting skills are more fun, but less likely to be useful.
 
The only two things you need to drive a car are a car and a manual.
 
Lead left hook makes sense. But wouldn't it take longer to train power on that technique vs a rear hook, or even just a cross?

As for head kicks, isn't it easy to be swept/thrown down when you use them? Also, flexibility takes time to train.
Takes longer to train.

Kicks being more vulnerable is a bit of a myth.
 
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