I just watched them again and I'm sorry to disagree. I am not familiar with the kata but I have no problem with how it was performed. Same with the bo.
And as for origins, word in Aikido circles is that Choi Yong-Sool trained with Ueshiba in Japan.
Exposing fraudulent styles...Worth it?
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And as for origins, word in Aikido circles is that Choi Yong-Sool trained with Ueshiba in Japan.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
My issue would be things like this.
BECOMING A MUAY THAI ?KRU? Ā» The Official Luke Holloway Site
Now Luke is a master Thai trainer seen with all the cool guys but who has never had a fight himself and never trained a Thai fighter.
If some chimp goes to him expecting to gain skills that would let them survive a ring fight that chimp is going to get hurt.
BECOMING A MUAY THAI ?KRU? Ā» The Official Luke Holloway Site
Now Luke is a master Thai trainer seen with all the cool guys but who has never had a fight himself and never trained a Thai fighter.
If some chimp goes to him expecting to gain skills that would let them survive a ring fight that chimp is going to get hurt.
I thought you didn't believe in forms, Hanzou?
I'm with you on sloppy technique, but I wonder if that isn't what K-man is refering to. A strange thing that I notice (at least in Karate, for example) is that, for competition, people seem to often try to make their forms "look good," chasing aesthetics as much as practical application. That's not what forms should be about. They're merely a training tool, and should be treated as such.
Sometimes, I have half the mind to enter a forms competition and just pick one small section to work on freely and repeatedly for 10 minutes without any pretense of performance
I think the reason there's so much focus on "looking good", on having every technique be sharp and picture-perfect and having very high kicks (I'm assuming that's what you mean by "looking good") is because it demonstrates strength, balance, power, and control and shows that you know all the techniques very well. I mean, for example, nobody in a real fight is going to do a head-level side kick and just hold it there for a couple seconds like you see in competitions, but it takes a lot of balance, strength, and skill to be physically able to do that. Any white belt can do a mid-level side kick, so doing the form the other way makes you stand out as having more skill and training. (Edit: To clarify, I don't meant that someone that chooses to do a form with a mid-level side kick doesn't have skill or strength or the ability to do more.)
Just think though, a Katana is capable of slashing through someone's body in a tenth of a second.
Balrog
Master of Arts
Good advice. It's because of all the fly-by-night scam artists in the past that we today have difficulties running schools.
When I have a new prospect visit the school, they will see my rank certificate and my Master's certificate and my school license very openly displayed for all to see. In the office, I have photo plaques of the original owner (my instructor), the second owner (now inactive) and me as the third owner of this school. I've never had anyone ask about my training, but if they did, I can open up a web browser and show them my entire testing history, and I can give them the 800 number for ATA HQ to verify my standing as an instructor.
There are legitimate disarms against the sword and there are numerous empty hand techniques based on the movement you would perform with a sword. One of those disarms involves placing your hand on the back of the sword. I tried to enlarge the video to see what was done but the quality is too poor to see. I'll just go with sloppy for now.
Would I like to be facing a real live Katana empty handed? No way!
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"Sloppy" is being polite. I'm seeing serious problems with both the sword attacks and the disarms. Doesn't mean they're fraudulent - but I wouldn't want them publicly representing my school.
pgsmith
Master of Arts
However, you could take that a step further and say that if some chimp wants to train for a ring fight but can't be bothered to research who he's giving his money to, then he deserves to get hurt. Why should it be other people's responsibility to protect him from his own stupidity?
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Hong Kong Pooey
Blue Belt
Caveat Emptor. The concept is so old they wrote it in Latin.
To be fair though, you don't necessarily have to be stupid to get duped.
Personally, I'm not interested in being a card carrying member of the Martial Arts Police Dept. If someone wants to be a fake, fraud, do shady things...well, sure it sucks, sure it makes me mad, to see these fake idiots, scamming unsuspecting people out of their hard earned money, but in the end, what can you do? If someone asks me, and they have, about a school, if I have a recommendation, etc, sure, I'll be more than happy to guide them in the right direction, but other than that, I have no desire to 'storm' a dojo. Sorry, I've got better things to do with my time. In the end, the actions of the frauds, will eventually come to light. They'll have to answer for their shady actions.
Balrog
Master of Arts
Well, kindasorta. Suppose old Boudreaux, for whatever reason, moved to Seattle with his family recipes and opened a Cajun place there. Does that make his jambalaya or his hushpuppies or his grillades and grits any less authentic?
My wife is originally from New Orleans and she can smell out a good Louisiana restaurant within 20 miles of the house. We had one we used to go to all the time until the owner retired and sold it (breaking our hearts in the process). The guy that ran it was an old swamprunner from down by New Iberia who moved to Houston 30 some-odd years before. Once he got to know us as regulars and found out that SWMBO knows her way around a kitchen and can make a roux, he'd see us come up to the door and he'd hustle over and put his arm around her shoulder and say stuff like, "You come on with me, cher, I take good care of you. Him, if he wants to tag along behind, dat's okay, too." And then we would order and he'd always add something on as a surprise. He'd bring out a bowl of "special" gumbo or etouffee or something and set it down in front of her and say, "Heah, cher, dis for you. You wanna give him a little taste of it, dat's up to you." And then they would talk recipes and cooking.
We really miss that place. And now I'm hungry.
seems like there a only a couple of tings that can be done with Frauds in the arts.
1. go in and close the school the way it was done 40-50 years ago
2. have the better business people get involved and the local newspaper ( maybe an investigated article)
3. Have the local district attorney get involed
now do we really want number 2 and 3? I for one do not want government involved. Plus if you can not prove
the person is a fraud you are open to all sorts of legal action. I do like number one but once again the legal people frown an that sort of thing.
So other than just telling someone your opinion if asked what can be done
1. go in and close the school the way it was done 40-50 years ago
2. have the better business people get involved and the local newspaper ( maybe an investigated article)
3. Have the local district attorney get involed
now do we really want number 2 and 3? I for one do not want government involved. Plus if you can not prove
the person is a fraud you are open to all sorts of legal action. I do like number one but once again the legal people frown an that sort of thing.
So other than just telling someone your opinion if asked what can be done
Exposing fraudulent styles...Worth it?
What is a fraudulent style? Who gets to decide? Now there may be fraudulent claims of experience, or who they trained with, but style?
I have seen bad Masters within all credible organizations. No organization is without polotics! I have seen some of the best martial artist come out of back yard clubs with no affiliation at all. Rank is within one's own dojo or organization. Organizations are like Universities that don't allow all credits to transfer.
The fact is if students are flocking to the fraud, that is what they want. Hey earn a Green Belt in a couple of styles, throw in a little boxing, and you can open a school and call it MMA. Your school will be full!
If you keep teaching with strict protocal, trying to provide certification for your students, you can wind up like me, without a school!
What is a fraudulent style? Who gets to decide? Now there may be fraudulent claims of experience, or who they trained with, but style?
I have seen bad Masters within all credible organizations. No organization is without polotics! I have seen some of the best martial artist come out of back yard clubs with no affiliation at all. Rank is within one's own dojo or organization. Organizations are like Universities that don't allow all credits to transfer.
The fact is if students are flocking to the fraud, that is what they want. Hey earn a Green Belt in a couple of styles, throw in a little boxing, and you can open a school and call it MMA. Your school will be full!
If you keep teaching with strict protocal, trying to provide certification for your students, you can wind up like me, without a school!
Welcome to the forum, TXRob. Glad to have you aboard.
"The concept is so old they wrote it in Latin." Damn, I really love that line.
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