Ex-Porn star reads to kids

[Bob Hubbard]

Do you have proof of the mistress, cause I have to say, I doubt that would have gone unnoticed by the mainstream press, considering the front page coverage of his 1976 DUI arrest the weekend before the election. It is just hard to believe that that escaped attention, or mention. The sketchy military record is a silly charge, I was in the national guard, I know how that works, and true, the illegal drugs was bad, but did he profess that they were good for people. If he did he would be disqualified for that, but the politician thing still stands.

I have the information on that from someone in Austin.

Again though,
Would you let the late Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, former Buffalo Bill Jim Kelley, or the late Gracie Allen (wife of the late George Burns) read to kids?

Jobs - former druggie, spent years denying paternity, abusive towards his employees.
Gates - Ruthless businessman
Kelley - Womanizer, who when his nightclubs went titsup, allowed several local mom-n-pops to go under rather than pay the bills his company owes which he could have easily afforded at the time.
Allen - jewel smuggler, nabbed by the IRS. Burns paid the fine.

 

[Tez3]

Why do you have people come in to read to the children? Isn't that the teacher's job at school and the parents at home?

 

[CanuckMA]

So, the posters supporting Ms. Grey would have no problem with a tobacco company rep, who was attractive and well spoken, and had children in the 1st grade class, would have no problem with them reading to the class?

As long as he/she does not promote the industry, no problem at all.

 

[CanuckMA]

Porn is a choice, and I am a free speech kind of person, but would it be okay for a high school to send kids to a convention for career day,...that is if it is no different than any other profession? Is it then a viable choice for a high school, after school job?

No, but only because the kids are not of age to 'use' the product. She was not there as a porn star.

 

[CanuckMA]

An attractive, self-assured, successful member of an inner city gang telling kids reading is cool, is that so wrong?:ultracool

Making a living through illegal activities. Not the same thing at all.

 

[granfire]

Why do you have people come in to read to the children? Isn't that the teacher's job at school and the parents at home?

In a perfect world that would be all that is needed.

Sadly, too many 'parents' do not give a rip, if they don't actively torpedo the teacher's attempts to fill their kids with some education.

 

[Tez3]

In a perfect world that would be all that is needed.

Sadly, too many 'parents' do not give a rip, if they don't actively torpedo the teacher's attempts to fill their kids with some education.

By the time children are six they should however have been reading by themselves for a couple of years, certainly by 8 or 9 they shouldn't need to be read to as part of a lesson.

 

[granfire]

By the time children are six they should however have been reading by themselves for a couple of years, certainly by 8 or 9 they shouldn't need to be read to as part of a lesson.

But still, at that age I enjoyed having somebody read to me. ^_^
I remember when we tried to convince the teachers to do some reading around special holidays, like the week before Christmas break. (we didn't start reading before 1st grade though, and my poor kid was subjected to 'dibbles' odd syllables that you will never find in any word in that form ever. Never did figure out why they would come up with stuff like that)

But I guess in this day and age, it's important for kids to see that there is something past the iphone in terms of written communication.

 

[RandomPhantom700]

puts herself 100% into whatever she is doing,

*snerk*

Nine pages late on that one. Sorry, continue. :rofl:

 

[JohnEdward]

I respect Bill, if it wasn't for him this thread would have died. And he seems to be the lone opposition voice representing many. He makes a point we should be cautious of, is this a slipper slope. Sure Grey reading isn't going to turn these kids to the porn industry. What it might do is set a standard for all young women to enter the movie business through the porn industry. The movie stars that did a few porn movies, and where not heavily into the industry like Grey, winning adult film awards, and being praised by critics, if famous enough will bury their past film(s) by buying the rights and taking the films off the market. Those like Sylvester Stallion. These stars don't perpetuate the way to stardom is through porn, as they ink it out.

Realistically, it would have to take more than one porn star like Grey to set a precedence. And it isn't just reading to one class of kids starting the sliding down the slope. Grey my move us closer to the slope. It will be if she holds up her porn career along side her movie, or music career, and the hight of her fame. And if Hollywood embraces and panders to that. If that is the case, she will become a model parents may not want their tweens and teens to follow.

 

[punisher73]

I guess my biggest question is how many people on here that are against this are also the same ones that profess to be Christian. If they realize something and turn their back on it and are moving in a more positive manner, aren't we supposed to support that? Or is that only when it is convienant and not something we really have to address?

 

[granfire]

I respect Bill, if it wasn't for him this thread would have died. And he seems to be the lone opposition voice representing many. He makes a point we should be cautious of, is this a slipper slope. Sure Grey reading isn't going to turn these kids to the porn industry. What it might do is set a standard for all young women to enter the movie business through the porn industry. The movie stars that did a few porn movies, and where not heavily into the industry like Grey, winning adult film awards, and being praised by critics, if famous enough will bury their past film(s) by buying the rights and taking the films off the market. Those like Sylvester Stallion. These stars don't perpetuate the way to stardom is through porn, as they ink it out.

Realistically, it would have to take more than one porn star like Grey to set a precedence. And it isn't just reading to one class of kids starting the sliding down the slope. Grey my move us closer to the slope. It will be if she holds up her porn career along side her movie, or music career, and the hight of her fame. And if Hollywood embraces and panders to that. If that is the case, she will become a model parents may not want their tweens and teens to follow.

it's BS.
it's a double standard.
We have the lovely Paris Hilton, being prime time all over every media. She did not get 'paid' for her sex tape. but sheesh, since Pamela Anderson, it's a carrier move to have one 'leaked'.
Same about the new darling of the popular primetime/daytime TV shows. Kim Kardashian?
Now there is a lesson to be learned:
make sex tape, get TV show. And I don't see an outcry there.

What is the difference, I pray do tell.

Oh, right.
One is lending her face to education, the other to enrich herself.

 

[sfs982000]

next week ron jeremy will be teaching shop class.

lol

 

[sfs982000]

It seems to me that this is another case of the parents making a mountain out of a mole hill. I actually have to commend her for taking the time out to spend with the kids and read to them and as long as she isn't bringing her former profession into it I don't see what the problem is. If the parents have that big of a concern with it then they should take the time out of their busy schedule and go and read to the kids themselves.

 

[JohnEdward]

it's BS.
it's a double standard.
We have the lovely Paris Hilton, being prime time all over every media. She did not get 'paid' for her sex tape. but sheesh, since Pamela Anderson, it's a carrier move to have one 'leaked'.
Same about the new darling of the popular primetime/daytime TV shows. Kim Kardashian?
Now there is a lesson to be learned:
make sex tape, get TV show. And I don't see an outcry there.

What is the difference, I pray do tell.

Oh, right.
One is lending her face to education, the other to enrich herself.

I am sorry but that isn't what I am saying. I am addressing those who see things as Bill has said has some credibility. There is a possibility that a precedence can be set as Bill outlined. We have proof of the viability of the possibility the perception that the way to get into movies is through porn. We look at music, for example, there was a time when the requirements for gangsta rap you need street cred to be taken seriously as a rapper. A fact that influenced kids of many ages. There are other examples as well, like if your not getting the attention as a actor, a sex tape will get you back into the mix.

I see a slipper slope, I see depending on how Grey handles herself, if she holds up her porn industry career along side her movie career, with how big of a movie star she becomes, she could set a precedence in Hollywood to accept porn stars openly among their ranks, and influence other porn actors to make the transition in ease. This combination could influence those 12- 18 to think a way into the movie business is through porn.

Bill maybe exaggerating his point, but there is a possibly kids and parents will think the way into mainstream movies is through pron.

 

[JohnEdward]

Reading to kids is an educational tradition, and a sound tool in helping kids learn to read and master language. It is also an American tradition that is fading away, i.e. the bed-time story. There was a time when reading a book to your kid(s) was quality time instead of watching TV, or being engaged in other technology. That isn't the issue here, the issue is choice of reader for some parents who didn't have the option of not having Ms. Grey read to their kids. You have to respect the rights of parents who don't see Ms.Grey as a role model, and provide those parents an option. That wasn't done. It is up to the school to know Ms. Grey was a hard core porn star, and let the parents know about the event before hand. It is a simple matter of professional common curtsey and respect for everyone around.

My contention is with the school's lack of foresight, and as a publicity stunt and the exploitation of the kids to boost her career. She is intelligent enough to realize that. The little of what I read about her points to her pronounced intelligence.

 

[Chris Parker]

Still not right, though. For precedence, look to Traci Lords, Jenna Jameson, the "E" Network and their guest hosts at times, Tera Patrick, and the plethora of other adult stars who have appeared in mainstream work over the last, oh, 15 years. Sasha isn't a precedent, but she is one of the more credible to take on a mainstream acting profession. She's hardly the first, though.

Oh, and speaking as possibly the only person here who's actually met Sasha Grey, albeit for a few minutes when she was in Melbourne two years ago, I'd like to say that she comes across as a very sweet, sincere, serious, and intelligent young woman (I'd say more intelligent than a number of posters here, honestly). Personally, although she's not entirely my taste (she is closer than a range of other adult stars, though) I'd have no problem taking her to "meet my mother"... and I don't tend to introduce anyone to my folks!

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Pamela Anderson. Former Playboy centerfold. Actress. Porn Star. Involved in numerous causes, including PETA.

Pamela Denise Anderson (born July 1, 1967) is a Canadian-American actress, model, producer, author, activist, and former showgirl, known for her roles on the television series Home Improvement, Baywatch, and V.I.P. She was chosen as a Playmate of the Month for Playboy magazine in February 1990.
...
Anderson is a vegan, an advocate for animal rights, and an active member of the animal protection organization People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), taking part in several campaigns for animal rights.
...
In March 2005, Anderson became a spokesmodel for MAC Cosmetics's MAC AIDS Fund, which helped people affected by AIDS and HIV. After becoming the official spokesmodel, Anderson raised money during events in Toronto, Tokyo, Dublin, and Athens.

Anderson became the celebrity spokesperson for the American Liver Foundation, and served as the Grand Marshal of the SOS motorcycle ride fundraiser.

Jenny McCarthy.

Jennifer Ann "Jenny" McCarthy (born November 1, 1972)[1][2] is an American model, comedian, actress, author, activist, and game show host. She began her career in 1993 as a nude model for Playboy magazine and was later named their Playmate of the Year. McCarthy then parlayed her Playboy fame into a successful television and film acting career. Most recently, she has written books about parenting, and has become an activist promoting the controversial claims that vaccines cause autism[3] and that chelation therapy helps cure it—both claims which are widely unrecognized or disputed by the medical community.

Asia Carrera - 370 adult films
- won a full academic scholarship to Rutgers University and is a member of Mensa
- Considered the smartest porn star, she's an avid gamer, web designer and more.

Annie Sprinkle Ph.D.
- former prostitute, stripper, pornographic actress, cable television host, porn magazine editor, writer and sex film producer. She received a BFA in photography from the School of Visual Arts in 1986 and earned a degree in human sexuality from the Institute for Advanced Study of Human Sexuality in San Francisco in 1992. Currently, Dr. Sprinkle works as a performance artist and sex educator.

Shy Love
- graduated high school at the age of 16, then earned a bachelor's degree and two Masters Degrees. She got her Bachelor's degree in Accounting, then got her Master's Degree in Accounting immediately afterward. Also a BD in Taxation.
- CPA

It goes on. There's 5 from the adult industry. No drugged out whores, not $5 party girls.
- Authors.
- Actresses
- Models
- Business Owners
- Activists.
- Mensa members
- Geeks.
- Doctors.
- Educators.
- Accountants. (ok this last one is weird.)

So the condemnation here is an artificial one, a 'moral' one. If you believe porn is bad, then they must not be good roll models. If you think it's fine it's a non-issue.
If you think prostitution is wrong, they are victims, exploited, abused. If you don't, it's a non issue.

So why would a Mensa member, and a child genius with several college degrees before she was 20 choose to screw on film?
Theres a better question to ponder.

 

[JohnEdward]

Too late to edit. Because this is a heated subject I want to be more precise.

I respect Bill, if it wasn't for him this thread would have died. And he seems to be the lone opposition voice representing many. He makes a point we should be cautious of, is this a slipper slope. Sure Grey reading isn't going to turn these kids to the porn industry. What it might do is set a standard for all young women to enter the movie business through the porn industry. The movie stars that did a few porn movies, and where not heavily into the industry like Grey, winning adult film awards, and being praised by critics, if famous enough will bury their past film(s) by buying the rights and taking the films off the market. Those like Sylvester Stallion. These stars don't perpetuate the way to stardom is through porn, as they ink it out.

Realistically, it would have to take more than one porn star like Grey to set a precedence. And it isn't just reading to one class of kids starting the sliding down the slope. Grey my move us closer to the slope. She could set a greater precedence to what Bill is speaking too. But for that possibility to happen, some things would need to take place, for example, if she holds up her porn career along side her movie, or music career, and if she raises to mainstream stardom. And if Hollywood (studios) embraces and panders to porn stars wanting to get into mainstream film. Etc. If that is the case, she will become a model parents may not want their tweens and teens to follow as a way to get into movies is through porn. I don't think the schools will take kids to a porn site for career day. But it may be lectured or discussed as a way into the movie business in high school drama class where Grey is seen as a pioneer.That is a realistic concern, especially in Cali (the likely hood of it, is yet to be seen and not in Grey reading to kids).

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Reading to kids is an educational tradition, and a sound tool in helping kids learn to read and master language. It is also an American tradition that is fading away, i.e. the bed-time story. There was a time when reading a book to your kid(s) was quality time instead of watching TV, or being engaged in other technology. That isn't the issue here, the issue is choice of reader for some parents who didn't have the option of not having Ms. Grey read to their kids. You have to respect the rights of parents who don't see Ms.Grey as a role model, and provide those parents an option. That wasn't done. It is up to the school to know Ms. Grey was a hard core porn star, and let the parents know about the event before hand. It is a simple matter of professional common curtsey and respect for everyone around.

My contention is with the school's lack of foresight, and as a publicity stunt and the exploitation of the kids to boost her career. She is intelligent enough to realize that. The little of what I read about her points to her pronounced intelligence.

John, I'll concede the point bolded above.

I disagree that Ms Grey is seeking to exploit kids for a boost. Evidence about her doesn't suggest that IMO.