I know John Hancock. I was the one who he learned that GM HWANG Kee was a member of the Chung Do Kwan and whose rank was 6th guep, White Belt. This was ten or fifteen years ago. He kind of went to town after that and tried unsuccessfully to get the Soo Bahk Do Hwe to admit the "truth". At the time it was radical information, but today, everyone sort of accepts it, the Moo Duk Kwan/Chung Do Kwan connection. You can tell there is a connection simply by looking at the logos of the respective Kwan. The Moo Duk Kwan symbol is derivative of the Chung Do Kwan symbol.
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I know John Hancock. I was the one who he learned that GM HWANG Kee was a member of the Chung Do Kwan and whose rank was 6th guep, White Belt. This was ten or fifteen years ago. He kind of went to town after that and tried unsuccessfully to get the Soo Bahk Do Hwe to admit the "truth". At the time it was radical information, but today, everyone sort of accepts it, the Moo Duk Kwan/Chung Do Kwan connection. You can tell there is a connection simply by looking at the logos of the respective Kwan. The Moo Duk Kwan symbol is derivative of the Chung Do Kwan symbol.
As Tony Jidosabum or Tony Jidosabumnim or Jidosabumnim, depending on whether you are senior or junior. I suppose it would also be ok to simply say Sabumnim. I still call some of my teachers that.
Oh, and PS:
Someone told me they thought your comment above was kind of humorous, given your earlier statement below:
Someone told me they thought your comment above was kind of humorous, given your earlier statement below:
mastercole
Master Black Belt
I asked him. In the best English he could muster, he commented as follows:
- These seem like new combined terms as he never heard them before
- Sabum as used in everyday Korean refers to a martial arts teacher
- When you say "sabum" a Taekwondo teacher automatically comes to mind
- Korean's do not think of Sabum as a "teacher of teachers" even if you can find it in Hanja
- ****you have to also know the intended meaning that Hanja was selected for.
This means you have to find out from the people who selected it as Hanja has radically
different meanings
- Jido Sabum in this situation seems to him to mean "Lead Instructor" or "Chief Instructor",
but again, he said you would have to ask the people who selected the term to find it's
intended meaning
mastercole
Master Black Belt
Which old masters in Korea will you be asking?
mastercole
Master Black Belt
Recently you stated to me that the Kukkiwon made a spelling error, and just does not want to admit it, that is why they changed the Hangul from poomsae, to poomsae. Do you still believe this?
Now you have stated that Taekwondo seniors (your seniors or my seniors?) fabricated Taekwondo history. What are the names of the senors that fabricated Taekwondo history?
What specific history was fabricated?
Also, has anyone told you yet if the teams at Poomsae World Championships will be wearing the new uniforms?
mastercole
Master Black Belt
Ron and Puunui, I'd like to take this discussion onto Taekwondo-net. We have thousands of dedicated Taekwondoin that would like to see this discussion.
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MSUTKD
Purple Belt
Yes we will wear them, at least that is what we were told. They asked for sizes.
Sir, I hope to get to your other questions soon. I am glad you are here because I will need you on my next post. Stand by, I have to pull stuff from that old paper I wrote.
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MSUTKD
Purple Belt
Thanks, I guess I am learning that cool.
Actually hanja very rarely has a disrupted meaning. But agreed that my translations are a bit literal, I do this on purpose for the reader who has no idea about how the characters work.
OK I am one of those that really do not understand Hanja translation, but I thought it always had a general meaning. I see where you Master Southwick said you are using a literal one on purpose to get to some people. While I guess I understand this could you also give the general meaning as well so some of us could possible and actually learn something with these threads?
I am really interested in learning also you said find a Korean to help me in my area, should I be looking for a older one or will a college student be the same?
I am really interested in learning also you said find a Korean to help me in my area, should I be looking for a older one or will a college student be the same?
mastercole
Master Black Belt
On today's internet you can easily translation Traditional Chinese characters. Save this site:
http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php
There many other sites like it, but keep in mind we are talking about KOREAN use of these terms, not exactly CHINESE, thought they are often the same. So it is good to supplement your CHINESE Word & Character dictionary with an "Everyday Hanja" reference as well.
Now you to can be a Hanja Master!
mastercole
Master Black Belt
In the case of the word "poomse" we have radically different meanings. Imagine a guy with an odd agenda trying to translate the old terms "poom" and "se" and selecting these meanings from the official CHINESE translations from the CHINESE / English dictionary:
http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?page=worddict&wdrst=1&wdqtm=0&wdqcham=1&wdqt=勢
品 pǐn grade / to taste / to sample / to criticize / to judge / to size up
勢 shì outward appearance / male genitals
Brings a whole new meaning to "Poomse" competition!
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MSUTKD
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Using the internet to translate is sure to give funny results, lol. There are actually rules that keep the misunderstanding from happening. That sir, is a whole other discussion and that would put us all to sleep. You will NOT be a hanja master from using the internet but it can be a good tool.
mastercole
Master Black Belt
What resource (s) do you use to translate Hanja?
Basically, what are these rules that keep misunderstanding from happening?
mastercole
Master Black Belt
The same translations, definitions, character breakdown are found in books as well, however, that site I provided, usually provides more than most books can provide.
Keep the discussion here. There are thousands of dedicated Taekwondoin following it here too.
And don't forget us non-taekwondoin! We watch the Olympics and may even be fans. Maybe we want to understand why you guys doffed the angry white pajamas.
As far as ranking, belt colors, and titles go, that's interesting to us as well, in an academic way.
I could not get the link to work. Not sure if its just me. Would you be able to post a picture of the new dobok? And what are the belt colors?
Thank you,
Daniel
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