Etiquette When Looking for a Sparring/Demo Partner from Another Style?

[drop bear]

I'm not sure what I'm suppose to be getting from this.

pretty sure you will be fine with a big set of gloves on. hence shoot boxing is a decent medium for grapplers to train with strikers. you can hit hard enough to deter takedown attempts without injuring people.

 

[hoshin1600]

I hope so. I would like to see it. I know I put my bad sparring videos online. It should be an issue for most people unless they bragged about how good they were or that they were going to show "real WC". sparring to learn also gives a person a way to save face in the event things don't go as desired.

If I understand the OP correctly. His intent was to show how WC can handle other styles. But what if he cant. What happens if what he does turns out to be near useless? would that video get shelved?

 

[Flying Crane]

pretty sure you will be fine with a big set of gloves on. hence shoot boxing is a decent medium for grapplers to train with strikers. you can hit hard enough to deter takedown attempts without injuring people.

Not really. Guy can punch and grappler rushes in to take him down. Guys say, "yeah, but I punched you four times. If it was for real, you would have gone down." Grapplers says, "no, you punch like a ####y, your punches are no good."

Nothing is settled. It's play-acting.

 

[JowGaWolf]

If I understand the OP correctly. His intent was to show how WC can handle other styles. But what if he cant. What happens if what he does turns out to be near useless? would that video get shelved?

I hope not. Videos like that are more important because it shows the weakness and gives a visual that can be used to understand why a technique failed. I have all of my videos of me failing.. I look at them more than the ones where I do a technique successfully.

Not really. Guy can punch and grappler rushes in to take him down. Guys say, "yeah, but I punched you four times. If it was for real, you would have gone down." Grapplers says, "no, you punch like a ####y, your punches are no good."

Nothing is settled. It's play-acting.

This is where honesty needs to come into play. If the striker has weak punches then he needs to be honest with himself about that. The striker also needs to be honest with himself about which angles his punching is the weakest. The striker also can't force techniques. If a grappler rushes in then maybe a punch isn't the answer. Maybe it's an elbow to the side of the face, maybe it's a kick or knee to the face. If the striker is honest and he knows without a doubt that he can generate a lot of power in a way that helps he avoid the take down, then the grappler needs to be honest and accept that he put his face in a bad position. Here's a couple of videos of people failing with the grappling take down vs a knee. If the grappler or striker can't be honest then the sparring will be useless, and the only way that the 2 fighters will feel that they are correct is if they prove it.

 

[wingchun100]

Or. Hi, Do you guys spar with people from other styles? If they say yes, then ask when. If they say no then don't ask again lol. I think the OP is going to find out that his techniques aren't going to be as easy to pull off when sparring against another system.

I never said I thought it would be easy, and I don't mind showing when I fail as well as when I succeed.

 

[wingchun100]

It's the video concept that throws a wrench in the works because no one wants to be seen in a bad light. You should also be prepared to have your butt handed to you. Would you be will to put that on you tube as well?

Yes.

 

[Blindside]

Not really. Guy can punch and grappler rushes in to take him down. Guys say, "yeah, but I punched you four times. If it was for real, you would have gone down." Grapplers says, "no, you punch like a ####y, your punches are no good."

Nothing is settled. It's play-acting.

And if you don't ever actually practice full contact or hard contact then all of striking training is play acting.

And I would say that if you don't actually practice hard against other styles once in a while you are doing your training a disservice.

 

[wingchun100]

How about "Hi! Can I spar with you to try my skills against someone from a style different from mine?" You can ask anything other than your example.

I don't understand the part where you say "anything other than your example," because the whole point of the post was I didn't HAVE an example that I could use. Yes, I gave one that is BAD ("Can I prove my style is better?"), but that was prefaced by me saying that is one definite way it should NOT be phrased.

 

[JowGaWolf]

I never said I thought it would be easy, and I don't mind showing when I fail as well as when I succeed.

That's good. It means you are going in with a realistic perspective and your video should yield a lot of useful information both when you succeed and when you fail. If it's any thing like what I've experienced when watching my videos, you'll literally gain a huge level of knowledge and understanding of WC compared to those who haven't done what you are trying to do.

At this point it seems like you have all you need to make it happen. From one kung fu practitioner to another, when you spar, do it from the perspective of Self defense and not sports/point fighting. This perspective will help you greatly in understanding your techniques and representing your style.

 

[wingchun100]

That's good. It means you are going in with a realistic perspective and your video should yield a lot of useful information both when you succeed and when you fail. If it's any thing like what I've experienced when watching my videos, you'll literally gain a huge level of knowledge and understanding of WC compared to those who haven't done what you are trying to do.

At this point it seems like you have all you need to make it happen. From one kung fu practitioner to another, when you spar, do it from the perspective of Self defense and not sports/point fighting. This perspective will help you greatly in understanding your techniques and representing your style.

That is one thing I took away from a WC practitioner like Dom Izzo. Abrasive personality or not, he does live on the spot pressure tests with other people, and he is not afraid to show the footage where he got clocked.

Also, I am DEFINITELY coming at it from the self-defense angle. At this age (40), I don't plan on trying to get into a UFC tournament so it's all about the street application.

 

[wingchun100]

How about "Hi! Can I spar with you to try my skills against someone from a style different from mine?" You can ask anything other than your example.

My bad. When I originally read what you wrote, I thought it meant that you thought I would seriously ask someone, "Can I show how my style is better?" I hope you can forgive my misinterpretation.

 

[JowGaWolf]

At this age (40), I don't plan on trying to get into a UFC tournament so it's all about the street application.

I feel yah on the 40's age. injuries don't heal as fast as they did when I was in my 20's now I'm 44 and I enjoy training and I can't train with injuries so I try to keep them at a minimum. When I was younger I used to think that older people could handle the beating, but now I'm learning that it's the recovery time that is the challenge. I'm glad I'm learning it now so I can better manage injuries when I get old as I don't plan on stopping kung fu training. I wonder if those p90x recovery drinks help.

 

[Flying Crane]

And if you don't ever actually practice full contact or hard contact then all of striking training is play acting.

And I would say that if you don't actually practice hard against other styles once in a while you are doing your training a disservice.

It's all experience and that can be valuable. My point is, nothing is really "settled" by it. Maybe that doesn't really matter, tho.

But the shortcomings inherent in the experiment ought to be understood so that unrealistic conclusions are not made.

With this kind of mixup, my prediction is that all other things being equal, the grappler wins every time. Not because grappling is inherently superior method, but because the grappler methodologies work better within the context of the experiment.

 

[wingchun100]

I feel yah on the 40's age. injuries don't heal as fast as they did when I was in my 20's now I'm 44 and I enjoy training and I can't train with injuries so I try to keep them at a minimum. When I was younger I used to think that older people could handle the beating, but now I'm learning that it's the recovery time that is the challenge. I'm glad I'm learning it now so I can better manage injuries when I get old as I don't plan on stopping kung fu training. I wonder if those p90x recovery drinks help.

I do workout programs like P90X, Insanity and so on. Within a few weeks I am going to start doing 22 Minutes Hard Corps, once I wrap up the routine I am currently doing. I have used both the Recovery Formula and Shakeology. They helped me out immensely.

 

[JowGaWolf]

I do workout programs like P90X, Insanity and so on. Within a few weeks I am going to start doing 22 Minutes Hard Corps, once I wrap up the routine I am currently doing. I have used both the Recovery Formula and Shakeology. They helped me out immensely.

Thanks. This is helpful.

 

[wingchun100]

Thanks. This is helpful.

No problem. FYI, Shakeology is a meal replacement drink, so it serves a much different purpose than R & R. Also, you don't want to drink R & R unless you have REALLY punished yourself during your workout. Otherwise it's just like a straight blast of sugar.

 

[drop bear]

Not really. Guy can punch and grappler rushes in to take him down. Guys say, "yeah, but I punched you four times. If it was for real, you would have gone down." Grapplers says, "no, you punch like a ####y, your punches are no good."

Nothing is settled. It's play-acting.

you can punch a guy hard enough to deter them from taking you down with a pair of 16,s without really hurting the guy.

or mabye you do punch. like old mate here.

 

[drop bear]

It's all experience and that can be valuable. My point is, nothing is really "settled" by it. Maybe that doesn't really matter, tho.

But the shortcomings inherent in the experiment ought to be understood so that unrealistic conclusions are not made.

With this kind of mixup, my prediction is that all other things being equal, the grappler wins every time. Not because grappling is inherently superior method, but because the grappler methodologies work better within the context of the experiment.

which you havent done and dont really understand.

no please do go on.

 

[Flying Crane]

which you havent done and dont really understand.

no please do go on.

What are you confused about?

 

[drop bear]

What are you confused about?

how you came to your conclusion.

how do the grappler methodologys work better when the striker can hit you harder than pretty much any other dynamic other than full contact mma or bare knuckle. And you cant really grab anything. because you have a set of boxing gloves on?

did you say try this with a bunch of quality bjj guys and wrestlers?

did you try this with kick boxers and boxers?

what other methods of mixed style sparring have you done that resolves this problem?