Enter the Vegetable

[oftheherd1]

Now it's parmo instead of coals to Newcastle. Who knew?

We have some strange concoction here in the USA too, such as fried ice cream. Last night one of my slugs was a chinese lady who is going to spend 3 days in Korea, and has heard that the McDonalds there uses chicken instead of buns. I think she may have it confused with Kentucky Fried Chicken KFC launches the breadless mega-burger where the part of the bun is played by fried pieces of chicken Metro News but I still can't fathom it, and certainly wouldn't be likely to eat it. I would have to call roto-router to clean out my arteries after eating it.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Did well yesterday too...but....my oldest made dumplings when he got home.....DAMN!!!! I think there is a dumpling conspiracy going on in my home.

 

[Tez3]

Did well yesterday too...but....my oldest made dumplings when he got home.....DAMN!!!! I think there is a dumpling conspiracy going on in my home.

Around the World in 7 Vegan Dumplings One Green Planet

 

[Xue Sheng]

Around the World in 7 Vegan Dumplings One Green Planet

Thank you I shall give some of these a try, but I will have to do it because if it is not Chinese my wife will not make it. However my wife can and will make vegetable dumplings...however my oldest will not..... vegetables are just not one of the 4 food groups in his opinion..... and I am weak minded and easily swayed by a good dumpling so I take full responsibility for the devouring of any dumplings that may have occurred last evening....

 

[Tez3]

Being Jewish I'm totally in favour of dumplings!

 

[Xue Sheng]

Its a big Northern Chinese thing too, that and baozi.

 

[granfire]

I want some potstickers now......

 

[Xue Sheng]

Made it to a Chinese restaurant today and had.... vegetable dumplings..... made it.... but got home lost it..... oldest made a chicken quesadilla and as much as I did not want it, he mde it and wanted me to try it, so I did...it was good, but I wish I didn't have it, that one I will pay for later

 

[Zero]

Most people went meatless most of the time, safe a bit of bacon for flavoring etc, but in essence, you didn't have meat unless it was Sunday/Holiday!

Granfire, of what age and where is this meatless, bacon flavouring world you reference?

 

[Zero]

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My family has a history of cardiac problems, which is why I say a cardiologist for years. Then one day a couple years ago my cardiologist was suggesting adding an additional medication to fight cholesterol and I was rather resistant and said I wanted to try diet change first. He said that was fine but he also added very few people, and based on his experience none, are ever able to change like that.
Doctors are very good at not listening when they are already decided what the truth is...whether or is truth or not does not matter much because they came up with it..oh and I'm married to one and related to a few more so I speak from experience .....I hope Mr Tez recovers fully and continues to do well

This is crapola, I have plenty of friends, and my own father and mum, who have seriously changed their diets and/or quit smoking etc long term for health or other reasons. Sure, a lot of people won't (not can't) change but then many can and do.

Changing your diet or approach to life, to me makes a lot more sense and seems a lot more sustainable and healthy then opting for some synthetic medication to simply counter the ruinous activities you continue with.

 

[Zero]

Ooh that's fighting talk! It's not that the NHS is no good it's that he was in the James Cook Hospital in Middlesbrough, in the NE of England a place famous for the diet of it's inhabitants, such delicacies as fried Mars bars, fired pies and of course the Parmo. That last is a killer all on it's own. We have never tried it let along eaten it and we live over 30 miles away from 'Boro'.

You will love this.....

Yes, NHS is great for what it is (and that can't be knocked) but I wouldn't want to rely on it solely and without private insurance. I have seen several (scratch that, numerous) different GPs which were completely off target or simply lax beyond reason when coming to them with sports/fight injuries or ailments. Going to a private specialist on the other hand who devoted the time to research the ailment and focused rehab produced results, also in some instances going to a very good, reputable Eastern medicine practitioner also worked, as I have found the Eastern medicine approach is to not rush the diagnosis, examinations and treatment process (even in the UK, the Chinese doctors don't rush the job and even spend more time than the slot you have paid for (unlike GPs)). Problem with GPs and NHS is it is a 10-minute-slot-conveyor-belt, where if they miss your - or more importantly, you kid's - condition things can end up very grim and tragic!!

If you are educated or confident enough to challenge the GPs and hospital doctors, then you can often get what you need or want but I feel very sorry and anxious for those not so educated or confident and that blindly put their faith in the local GP with their and their kids' health.

 

[Zero]

Now it's parmo instead of coals to Newcastle. Who knew?

We have some strange concoction here in the USA too, such as fried ice cream. Last night one of my slugs was a chinese lady who is going to spend 3 days in Korea, and has heard that the McDonalds there uses chicken instead of buns. I think she may have it confused with Kentucky Fried Chicken KFC launches the breadless mega-burger where the part of the bun is played by fried pieces of chicken Metro News but I still can't fathom it, and certainly wouldn't be likely to eat it. I would have to call roto-router to clean out my arteries after eating it.

I reckon I have a hankering to try that fried chicken, chicken burger!!!

One of the, if not the very best, things to ever come out of the States was the Tur-Du-Ken for Thanks Giving or Christmas time (I forget which). Whole turkey, turkey stuffing, stuffed with whole duck, orange stuffing, stuffed with whole chicken, chicken stuffing and with strips of bacon layered all over the outside of the turkey. Freakin' awesome. When I was a kid back in NZ we had a yank who came to a Christmas hungi (a hungi is basically a mega-moist underground food steamer which the Maori use/used for cooking. Where you dig a pit in the back yard, chuck in some rocks, get a big fire going and burn it down, chuck in all your food wrapped in flax (or these days wet potato sacks or whatever) and then bury it in dirt and leave for a good few hours; the meat just falls off the bone).

Anyhow, this yank fella came over with all these birds and stuffing and set about getting it together and chucked it in the oven in the house. When it was cooked it was insanely good (and decadent). The bros went nuts for it and I had to fight for what I could get.

As an aside, the English do, or back in the day did, even more wacked out crazy stuff, like stuffing a roasted antelope with a turtle, with a dove, with a quail, with a sparrow etc. Sick but good.

Sorry Xue Sheng, I am not sure how this is helping you with your vege ways, maybe the above depraved levels of wretched carnivorous insanity actually help with going vege!! : )

You're not going to have to give up on your salt n' pepper squid are you??!!

 

[granfire]

Granfire, of what age and where is this meatless, bacon flavouring world you reference?

It isn't meatless bacon flavor, silly!

But a little bacon goes a long way to give a pan of home fries the special touch!

 

[Zero]

It isn't meatless bacon flavor, silly!

But a little bacon goes a long way to give a pan of home fries the special touch!

Haha(!!), grammar!! Not the bacon (meatless or otherwise) but the general lack of meat you talk about other than on Sunday - that sounds more like hell than any place on earth.

Agreed about the chips, I have ditched all that for now, but I must admit chips or anything fried in bacon oil is the king of kings!!

 

[Zero]

here's another thing Granfire, I was having a highly intellectual argument about the old adage, "you are what you eat" with one of my work buddies, an Indian dude who is some kind of veg-o type and who places some kind of spiritual importance on cows or yaks (or some thing with horns, I forget, that's not important anyway). He has an issue with all the cold cuts of beef, beef shakes, chicken, various animal carcasses I consume through the day in his close proximity. : )

Cows eat grass, right? So that makes a cow like a mix of 95% grass and water, pretty much. Right?! Right.

If I then eat a cow, all I am essentially doing is eating a whole lot of grass or grass derived "stuff". meat is just a form of grass-product... grassy stuff...

Consuming large quantities of cow is really akin to being a veg-o. As the cow is what it eats and I'm eating that cow.

I think I made my point.

 

[granfire]

here's another thing Granfire, I was having a highly intellectual argument about the old adage, "you are what you eat" with one of my work buddies, an Indian dude who is some kind of veg-o type and who places some kind of spiritual importance on cows or yaks (or some thing with horns, I forget, that's not important anyway). He has an issue with all the cold cuts of beef, beef shakes, chicken, various animal carcasses I consume through the day in his close proximity. : )

Cows eat grass, right? So that makes a cow like a mix of 95% grass and water, pretty much. Right?! Right.

If I then eat a cow, all I am essentially doing is eating a whole lot of grass or grass derived "stuff". meat is just a form of grass-product... grassy stuff...

Consuming large quantities of cow is really akin to being a veg-o. As the cow is what it eats and I'm eating that cow.

I think I made my point.

Second hand vegetarian, eh? Sounds good to me.
Around here, you get the evil eye suggesting horse is edible. For the same pseudo spiritual reasons.
(I don't do religion anymore.)

If you get good beef, you are still doing the bodily temple some good.
Unfortunately, something like 98% of all beef consumed in the US is processed in one of 4 plants.
And to supply the need for cheap meat (because we are all constantly broke) the cows get more than just grass to eat.
part of the discussion is the 'finishing' with grain (the majority is done this way), the cows are corralled in feed lots, eat grain, chew cud and hang out (PETA thinks it's cruel...). Use of pharmaceuticals is also possible....plus, of course, the large amounts are a strain on the surroundings, and the low price a burden on the producers.
You will probably not go back to supermarket meat (if you can afford to) once you had some raised by a small farm, processed by a small abattoir. (there also seems to be a lot of water in commercial meat....that's why they have to put those diaper thingies in the packs, and as it seems, it's part of the poundage in some stores)
And of course it keeps the small farm near the urban centers from selling to developers.....

I am not too far removed from people who had meat only a couple of times a week.
Of course, one of my favorite things in the world is Black Forrest Ham - not the junk sold here under the label! The good stuff, not cooked into oblivion, but cured and smoked to perfection, with a small remnant of silky fat around the edge.....hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Prosciutto is a rather expensive substitute....

The problem is that we have become so affluent in the last half century or so, we forgot that vegetables are the base of the meal, meat the flavoring, not the main part. The balance is out of whack.
And we eat too much.
And we fell for the commercial spiel, concocted after WWII, when the companies who supplied the troops with grub needed to find civilian ways for their prepared food lines. Enter the TV dinner.

Plant a victory garden, keep some chickens....feed clean grass to your cow, and you have clean meat.

(and yeah, that reincarnation thing....just imagine the cows were politicians in a past life - they deserve it!)

 

[Xue Sheng]

Been doing good with this...except for what seems to have been more than the usually trips to (good) Chinese restaurants last week. However I did find a cold noodle vegetable dish that is absolutely delicious and all I need to get when I go to at least one of the 3 good restaurants...but sadly that one also has some incredibly good dumplings too.... today is left overs from there and yes there is chicken and pork in the large amount of vegetables I threw in... but tonight is salad and then a concert my youngest is in.

 

[oftheherd1]

Been doing good with this...except for what seems to have been more than the usually trips to (good) Chinese restaurants last week. However I did find a cold noodle vegetable dish that is absolutely delicious and all I need to get when I go to at least one of the 3 good restaurants...but sadly that one also has some incredibly good dumplings too.... today is left overs from there and yes there is chicken and pork in the large amount of vegetables I threw in... but tonight is salad and then a concert my youngest is in.

The Koreans have a dish called Neng Myon (Cold noodles), which is usually served with a few very thin slices of meat, with some vegetables, ice, and seasoned with wasabi and red pepper paste. You can get it with no meat.

I reckon I have a hankering to try that fried chicken, chicken burger!!!

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When I mentioned it to my wife her first reaction was surprise. Thinking for a few moments, she allowed as how SHE would like to try it. We've been married 37 years and it turns out I never knew her. Kind of sad when you think on it. ;-)

 

[oftheherd1]

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One of the, if not the very best, things to ever come out of the States was the Tur-Du-Ken for Thanks Giving or Christmas time (I forget which). Whole turkey, turkey stuffing, stuffed with whole duck, orange stuffing, stuffed with whole chicken, chicken stuffing and with strips of bacon layered all over the outside of the turkey. Freakin' awesome. When I was a kid back in NZ we had a yank who came to a Christmas hungi (a hungi is basically a mega-moist underground food steamer which the Maori use/used for cooking. Where you dig a pit in the back yard, chuck in some rocks, get a big fire going and burn it down, chuck in all your food wrapped in flax (or these days wet potato sacks or whatever) and then bury it in dirt and leave for a good few hours; the meat just falls off the bone).

Anyhow, this yank fella came over with all these birds and stuffing and set about getting it together and chucked it in the oven in the house. When it was cooked it was insanely good (and decadent). The bros went nuts for it and I had to fight for what I could get.

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I've heard of it and that it was good. I do not however, recommend Tofurkey. A concoction made from tofu and goodness only knows what else. My daughter went through a bout of vegetarianism, and proudly brought that to the house one Thanksgiving dinner. Luckily we did have real turkey. I don't know how to describe the taste. It wasn't like tofu and it wasn't like turkey. Whoever thought that up must have been a vegetarian all their life and didn't know what turkey tasted like. As for my daughter, we gently tried to get her to mend her ways, and after several years, she is now more likely to eat meat.

 

[Xue Sheng]

The Koreans have a dish called Neng Myon (Cold noodles), which is usually served with a few very thin slices of meat, with some vegetables, ice, and seasoned with wasabi and red pepper paste. You can get it with no meat.

While I was eating my cold noodle dish, I believe my my wife was eating Neng Myon, however it had a different name, it was in Chinese. But she was telling me it was Korean Cold Noodles and it is almost exactly the same as you described, with the meat, just no ice.