Originally posted by Mormegil
For the MT kick to the thigh...if I can't shield it in time (which I'm not even sure I really want to do), I would try to cut kick to the supporting leg. So, from a left lead (matching), I quickly step forward and right to get out power arc of the kick, and deliver a left hook kick to the supporting leg, probably with my own shin. Hopefully they would have fallen having their supporting leg knocked out from under them. If not, or even while they're falling (if I can be that fast), I follow with a R cross (I'm already would up for it), lead punch (hook, uppercut etc), and cross. Next move depends on the position they are in.
If I really didn't see the kick coming, and was immenently going to be hit, and there was nothing I could do to move out of the way or directly counter, I would roll my lead (left if matching), inward so the kick hits my hamstrings instead of the side of my thigh. I think I can take a lot more punishment there, and it will be less likely to buckle my knee. I'm not turned to the right, and will follow with a cross, hook, cross combo, maybe finishing with a lead kick.
I just wanted to add a couple of variations on the defense to the Right cross.
Another Kali counter (learned studying Lucaylucay kali / JKD), would be to slip outside, with a vertical elbow scissors - gunting to the wrist of forearm (r rising vertical elbow covering the face with a simultaenous l lowering parry to guide the arm into the hit. An immediate change in direction of both my arms, with my right arm going donw, and my right hand hooking to try to either grab, or merely hook his arm, pulling towards me, and a simultaenous left rising elbow - this should sandwich and either break the elbow or more likely in my case hyperextend it. This follows with a left finger jab to the face or eyes (sunkite) as I lower forearm onto their bicep to trap the arm with a simultaenous right horizontal elbow to the jaw or area between deltoid and bicep depending on the actual range (my own chin will be tucked under my right shoulder to guard against his left. I would then extend both my arms, right arm extending to grab the back of his neck, and left arm extending downward and outward to hook under right elbow, pull down with my right, and push up with my left for the head and neck throw previously described (puter kepala), with an optional right knee into the chest prior to the throw. I think that uses the "cadena de mano" princial - chain of hands.
A real elegant counter from Panantukan (Pilipino boxing) would simply be the sliding leverage punch with a standard boxing follow up. So as they right cross in matching leads, step out left with a fade, and a simultaenous lead vertical fist with the forearm cutting into his arm. The initial strike with the blade of the forearm should knock them a little of balance if it was a commited punch, and allow you the "guide" to follow the punch up to their face. In addition, it should lower the crossing arm making the face more accessible to a punch, as a good cross will cover the jab and cheek. The intial hit would hopefully clear the arm out of the way and allow follow up punches.
For that very first scenario, I am assuming that your arms are both on the outside. I was thinking, I would probably trap with the left arm across his body also trapping his left arm at the forearm (since it's already higher, and his right arm "looks" more tense), with a simultaenous right punch upward to the jaw. After that, I'm thinking I would step with my right, DEEP forward and left to get behind his right leg, as I crash my right forearm into his chest, keeping my right hand at his face or neck pushing him to my left. My left arm would probably sweep outdownward and out carrying his right arm with a grab. If I do this right, he will be leaning backwards, and be very off balance, and I will be leaning mostly forward. I would then do an outside right backsweep (biset luar) against his right leg, or if I'm unsure of my footing, twist my body to the left about 60 degrees, to get to the same position of the sweep, without moving my legs, instead moving my oponent over my "sweeping" leg. So this is a mix of Wing Chun/Jun Fan and Silat.
Another good follow up from the Wing Chun trapping using silat would be a kenjit siko, or an elbow compression. Basically, with the right hand, smack the face or chest as you step in DEEP with the left behind him (hip to hip), sink your hip down, and follow with your left forearm across his body or with a punch wedging/pushing him to your left. If done right, he will be 90 degrees off from the way he was originally (due to your nudge and wedge), and be leaning slight back over your left thigh. If he hasn't fallen yet, jam your left elbow into his face or the middle of his chest to drop him over your knee. A friend of mine into western wrestling didn't know what hit him when I pulled this one on him (sapus and bisets didn't work too well on him, as he switched his weight too quickly for me - I really should just have stepped on his feet instead).
