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[Flying Crane]

Real sloppy haymaker hook, but it did it's job. This guy def. don't train. It takes a lot to break your hand. Just make your fist tight as a rock.

It actually does not take a lot to break your hand. Particularly with haymaker and hooking punches it is easy to land on the knuckle of the ring and pinkie fingers by mistake, and the metacarpals in that part of the hand can break when that happens.

I believe they actually call it a “boxer’s fracture” because it tends to happen when someone who trains a lot with boxing gloves and wraps, which protect the hand, lands a punch without wearing the gloves and wraps. They aren’t used to being specific about which part of the fist lands because of the protection provided by the gloves and wraps, and they get injured.

 

[skribs]

It actually does not take a lot to break your hand. Particularly with haymaker and hooking punches it is easy to land on the knuckle of the ring and pinkie fingers by mistake, and the metacarpals in that part of the hand can break when that happens.

I believe they actually call it a “boxer’s fracture” because it tends to happen when someone who trains a lot with boxing gloves and wraps, which protect the hand, lands a punch without wearing the gloves and wraps. They aren’t used to being specific about which part of the fist lands because of the protection provided by the gloves and wraps, and they get injured.

I think that goes back to training. The punch itself isn't dangerous to use. The punch improperly trained is.

 

[pdg]

Depends on the school, really. A modern TKD school that is mainly Taegeuks and olympic-style sparring won't be much in the way of defense. A more traditional school that gets into the Tang Soo Do and Shotokan Karate roots will be a lot more hand techniques and self defense.

That looks more like the ITF/KKW divide if I'm honest.

We never get into the TSD or shotokan roots, but we don't do WT style sparring...

 

[skribs]

That looks more like the ITF/KKW divide if I'm honest.

We never get into the TSD or shotokan roots, but we don't do WT style sparring...

My school is affiliated with KKW and we do WTF sparring rules and WTF tournaments.

But we do forms that look more like the Shotokan forms than the Taegeuks, and we do a lot of work on self defense that is primarily grabs and hand strikes.

 

[Flying Crane]

I think that goes back to training. The punch itself isn't dangerous to use. The punch improperly trained is.

I never said otherwise.

I was responding to his comment that it is really difficult to break your hand [while punching]. Depending on one’s background and what one is used to doing, it can be pretty easy to break one’s hand.

 

[skribs]

I never said otherwise.

I was responding to his comment that it is really difficult to break your hand [while punching]. Depending on one’s background and what one is used to doing, it can be pretty easy to break one’s hand.

Yes. But the OP in this thread doesn't want to include the hook as a punch because it's a dangerous punch. Any punch carries the risk of being dangerous if done incorrectly. Even correctly it can hurt you. The hook itself isn't any more dangerous than a reverse punch. But it takes training in class to learn how to do them properly.

 

[FriedRice]

It actually does not take a lot to break your hand. Particularly with haymaker and hooking punches it is easy to land on the knuckle of the ring and pinkie fingers by mistake, and the metacarpals in that part of the hand can break when that happens.

I believe they actually call it a “boxer’s fracture” because it tends to happen when someone who trains a lot with boxing gloves and wraps, which protect the hand, lands a punch without wearing the gloves and wraps. They aren’t used to being specific about which part of the fist lands because of the protection provided by the gloves and wraps, and they get injured.

Yea, if you're going to swing crazy and fight a lot, I'm sure you can break it. It's still not that easy, IMO. I never broke my hand, well just my pinky and that was playing volleyball. I have a weird bone on 1 of my knuckles that moves left to right noticeably due to too many street fights, but then again, that's anecdotal.

I'd be more worried about getting "fight bite" infection and/or disease that can lead to amputation, by punching someone with bare knuckles in the teeth. That's why I like quick head kicks for the KO. Do you know if the foot can be subjected to fight bite like the hand can? Even though shoes and socks would usually be worn, the instep landing can still be pierced if landing on the teeth.

 

[Flying Crane]

Yes. But the OP in this thread doesn't want to include the hook as a punch because it's a dangerous punch. Any punch carries the risk of being dangerous if done incorrectly. Even correctly it can hurt you. The hook itself isn't any more dangerous than a reverse punch. But it takes training in class to learn how to do them properly.

Ok that had nothing to do with what I was posting about. I do agree with you: proper punching without injury does take training.

 

[Flying Crane]

Yea, if you're going to swing crazy and fight a lot, I'm sure you can break it. It's still not that easy, IMO. I never broke my hand, well just my pinky and that was playing volleyball. I have a weird bone on 1 of my knuckles that moves left to right noticeably due to too many street fights, but then again, that's anecdotal.

I'd be more worried about getting "fight bite" infection and/or disease that can lead to amputation, by punching someone with bare knuckles in the teeth. That's why I like quick head kicks for the KO. Do you know if the foot can be subjected to fight bite like the hand can? Even though shoes and socks would usually be worn, the instep landing can still be pierced if landing on the teeth.

It seems to me that any time you get bit and the skin is broken there is chance of infection. Doesn’t matter where on the body it happens. I would think that socks and shoes would protect the foot, but you never know how things might unfold.

The human mouth carries a lot of bacteria and human bites can definitely lead to nasty infections.

 

[FriedRice]

Yes. But the OP in this thread doesn't want to include the hook as a punch because it's a dangerous punch. Any punch carries the risk of being dangerous if done incorrectly. Even correctly it can hurt you. The hook itself isn't any more dangerous than a reverse punch. But it takes training in class to learn how to do them properly.

I was mainly objecting to that video he posted. They were trying to say that a hook punch should never be used nor trained, or something like that.

 

[FriedRice]

It seems to me that any time you get bit and the skin is broken there is chance of infection. Doesn’t matter where on the body it happens. I would think that socks and shoes would protect the foot, but you never know how things might unfold.

The human mouth carries a lot of bacteria and human bites can definitely lead to nasty infections.

From what I've read, IIRC, the human hand is somehow, one of the areas more susceptible to infection. Like cases where dudes got into a fist fight with a slight "fight bite" puncture, but not bad enough that he thought he needed to see a doctor. He said he cleaned it with peroxide, bandage, kept it clean...but in 1.5 days, it was swollen and in pain. Went to the emergency room and they put him on an immediate IV antibiotics and said that a few more hours of being untreated and they would've had to amputate his hand.

I'm not sure how that works or if I read it correctly; and/or if the reports I read were correct....although I do remember reading about 3 different ones in order to further their validity (about the hand being more susceptible).

 

[JR 137]

From what I've read, IIRC, the human hand is somehow, one of the areas more susceptible to infection. Like cases where dudes got into a fist fight with a slight "fight bite" puncture, but not bad enough that he thought he needed to see a doctor. He said he cleaned it with peroxide, bandage, kept it clean...but in 1.5 days, it was swollen and in pain. Went to the emergency room and they put him on an immediate IV antibiotics and said that a few more hours of being untreated and they would've had to amputate his hand.

I'm not sure how that works or if I read it correctly; and/or if the reports I read were correct....although I do remember reading about 3 different ones in order to further their validity (about the hand being more susceptible).

If the hands are more susceptible to infection than other areas, I’m willing to bet it’s because of everything they come in contact with rather than anything physiological.

Then again, hands don’t heal from injury as well as other areas due to less blood flow, so maybe that’s got something to do with it too. Probably both, but I suspect more so due to handling things with bacteria on them to begin with.

 

[Dirty Dog]

From what I've read, IIRC, the human hand is somehow, one of the areas more susceptible to infection.

This is untrue. There is nothing about the hand to make it more susceptible to infection from a physiologic standpoint. The infection I see most often, honestly, is a shooters abscess.

Like cases where dudes got into a fist fight with a slight "fight bite" puncture, but not bad enough that he thought he needed to see a doctor. He said he cleaned it with peroxide, bandage, kept it clean...

Cleaning wounds with peroxide is painful and stupid. Peroxide doesn't clean wounds. All it does is foam up impressively as it reacts to the proteins in the blood. Bites get infected because mouths are nasty. The ONLY wound for which prophylactic antibiotics are routinely prescribed is a bite.

 

[FriedRice]

Cleaning wounds with peroxide is painful and stupid. Peroxide doesn't clean wounds.

So why do they still make it?

 

[Dirty Dog]

So why do they still make it?

Because people still buy it. But you won't see it used for wound cleaning by people who know how to clean wounds.
It's good for getting blood out of my scrubs, but that's about it.

 

[pdg]

Because people still buy it. But you won't see it used for wound cleaning by people who know how to clean wounds.
It's good for getting blood out of my scrubs, but that's about it.

You could use it to make yourself blonde as well.



Edit: well, parts of you

 

[FriedRice]

Because people still buy it. But you won't see it used for wound cleaning by people who know how to clean wounds.
It's good for getting blood out of my scrubs, but that's about it.

How about as a survival item for your bug out bag...considering that space & weight will be a big factor so you can't carry that much water to just keep pouring on wounds.

Would you recommend peroxide or alcohol?

 

[Danny T]

Peroxide doesn't clean wounds. All it does is foam up impressively as it reacts to the proteins in the blood.

Yeap. Antiseptics such as hydrogen peroxide, rubbing alcohol, & iodine actually damage the wound area and retard healing.
Open wound clean with mild soap and irrigate with clean water.

 

[dvcochran]

If you want to develop uppercut, you should get yourself a striking dummy. It's pretty difficult to train it on heavy bag because the angle.

Hey, it's Bob!

 

[JR 137]

Hey, it's Bob!

His big brother, Bob XL lives in my basement. I just realized he’s overdue for a good beating. I’ll get on that tomorrow.