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We have a similar drill in YCW WC. We call it Double Circling Hands. It has aspects of pummeling, it's a key component of Kum Na.
Chi Sao with Sifu
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Juany118
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What I think is interesting is this. 4 different Lineages have both now said they do the same thing, the difference is origin/perspective. Some have it 100% built it. I will find out, for the purpose of this conversation if mine is blurred. I will explain.
My Sifu is the student of, Keith Mazza, the US Rep of William Cheung. Sifu Keith also teaches Tai Chi Chuan. So on Monday I am going to ask my Sifu if the push hands we do is built into TWC or something he and Sifu Keith got permission to integrate from GM Cheung. Both are VERY big on having GM Cheung approve of stuff. Hell my school teaching WC and Kali in parallel (vs seperate classes) wouldn't exist without his permission.
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futsaowingchun
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futsaowingchun
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I watch it over again ..My sifu never grabs my wrist..but even if he did,so what? thats called Lop sao?
More like :23~:24. His right hand is clearly fully clasped around your left wrist.
I would not call this laap-sau, because it doesn't pull. It in fact doesn't appear to serve any purpose other than perhaps to hold on to your wrist so your arm doesn't go anywhere for a moment.
I would just call that holding.
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futsaowingchun
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His hand is open its not a hold. like in a fok sao.he is using what we call a hook to control my movement
Why don't you like "grabbing"?
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futsaowingchun
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Just because his thumb is wrap around my wrist does not make it a grab. he is using as a hook not a hold or grab. we do it many ways. his hand is actually open but in a loose curve. If he where to grab me there I could break his wrist easly and he knows it.His thumb is wrapped around your wrist, man... He's holding on.
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futsaowingchun
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Who said I don't like grapping? I grab all the time .not in that video because it's a drill in flow..
Vajramusti
Master Black Belt
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-Grabbing defeats the purpose of good lop sao motion.
Vajramusti
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yes he is. But I dont know who he is and what he is trying to do.
We also do not grab in our "lap-sau" drill, but in some other situations very definitely employ a lap/grab. Isn't this also true in AF WC?
2 questions here?
- Even if you may not like to grab but since you can't prevent your opponent from grabbing you, do you still need to train how to grab and how to break a grip?
- Do you ever try to pull your opponent into your punch?
- Even if you may not like to grab but since you can't prevent your opponent from grabbing you, do you still need to train how to grab and how to break a grip?
- Do you ever try to pull your opponent into your punch?
In the VT I train, we do not pull inwards, towards our bodies, but we do often grab an arm and jolt it downward (jut-sau) disrupting his balance, or use body rotation to yank the opponent sideways off balance, or a sort of push-pull movement to exploit the opponent's reaction -- the kind of stuff commonly found in grappling arts. Such actions are typically used to disrupt our opponent's balance in order to facilitate striking as WC/VT is a striking art, though we do have a few good throws or sweeps too. Even in a striking art, I find there something immensely satisfying about slamming an opponent to the ground.
Hmmm... maybe I really am a grappler at heart. Ah "...the road not taken" and all that.
The "grabbing" is the gate to open you into the grappling world.
wckf92
Master of Arts
"Opposite actions" / yin-yang, pull-push, push-pull...power generation ideas. Strike impact amplification.
