Capitolism on Trial

[rmcrobertson]

Nor do I, except when somebody's getting snarky about minutiae.

Otherwise, I agree, though I guess you'd prefer to take your football and stomp home...

 

[loki09789]

Other than technology, what is the difference between capitalism and the 'cottage industry' other than scale and pace? What is the difference between capitalism and battering? If you have chicken eggs and someone wants to trade you cow's milk for it but you want goat's milk, you find a guy who has what you want and wants what you have and swap....

I don't think capitalism as a market foundation is bad, but it does have to be tempered/regulated by someone so that things like child labor, unsafe working conditions/wages..... are reasonable and balanced. I think the theory proposed (don't remember the name) by John Nash (the real person "A Beautiful Mind" was about) was a 'revolution' of the time because it was about cooperative markets vs. cut throat markets for the overall benefit - comprimise/cooperation. So even within "capitalism" there are various views on what form it should take.

 

[RandomPhantom700]

This forum edits swear words?

*rolls eyes*

 

[RandomPhantom700]

As far as I've known, the basic difference between capitalism and socialism is that the former is (in its most ideal sense) about economic freedom whereas the later is (again, in the ideal sense) about economic order or control. Capitalism allows actors to pursue their own goals economically, while socialism promotes egalitarianism according to a central government's determinations.

This is a very simple breakdown, I understand. And the decision isn't just between pure capitalism or pure socialism. If not a balance, we at least have a combination of the two at the US, though it obviously leans towards the capitalist half of the spectrum.

Most of the accusations I've read against capitalism seem to be social problems rather than results of the economic system. Those making the accusations are using theoretical arguments that date back to Marx.

 

[loki09789]

Whatever, I'm done here. Like it or not, the capitalist system is what we got. I really don't have the knowledge to take this **** any further.

And by the way, I don't give two ***** how many m's are in the word amoral. You got my point.

RP700,

In my English Education classes they always pushed the idea that pronuciation and spelling should not be used as evidence of intelligence, but only be indicators of training and skill.... but one of the first things that gets jumped on - even in a casual 'friendly' discussion forum like this - is how invalid your point might be due to spelling. Just keep posting along. I don't think there is a single person here who as spelled everything correctly everytime.

 

[Tgace]

My splleng is terible......

I just downloaded a freeware application called tinySpell that corrects any window based typing on the fly...working pretty well so far...

 

[rmcrobertson]

What should be true is not necessarily what's true, and the fact of the matter is that--however unjustified--people typicall do make judgments about intelligence, education, and even willingness to work and take care, based on spellings.

Is, "capitolism," to, "capitalism," as, "kempo," is to, "kenpo?"

But all side issues aside, there's an enormous difference--and one that should be pretty obvious--between barter and capitalist exchange. Barter is enacted among people and in small groups, and involves swapping one thing you produced for another thing somebody else produced. Capitalism involves swapping symbols--money--that represent work around. You mostly never see the people, and you never see their work.

That's why capitalism fosters alienation and human separation--and remember, kids, Marx's opposition to capitalism wasn't just out of sheer pique: it was because of what it did, and does, to people, to society, to morality, to life.

And incidentally again, just 'cause it's old, don't mean it's wrong.

 

[someguy]

RP700,

In my English Education classes they always pushed the idea that pronuciation and spelling should not be used as evidence of intelligence, but only be indicators of training and skill.... but one of the first things that gets jumped on - even in a casual 'friendly' discussion forum like this - is how invalid your point might be due to spelling. Just keep posting along. I don't think there is a single person here who as spelled everything correctly everytime.

I agree with you there. I speel lik a secon gradr som days. Then again I also don't pay much attention to the spelling when I'm typing here usually as I'm so used to having a spelling checker as I type.
Doesn't the debate about socialism and communism to some extent raise the question about equality and freedom.
One more thing out of curiosity. Who here has read any of Marx’s works. I read some of his stuff. Intresting but I dislike it.

 

[heretic888]

Again, my personal take here is that the problem is not with "cut-throat capitalism" but with a deeper issue that seems to be plaguing our culture.

That issue is reductionism, materialism, Ken Wilber's "flatland", T.S. Eliot's "wasteland", the "disenchantment of the world", or whatever metaphor you find particularly cogent. The capitalism seen today is a natural result of such cultural trends --- although, personally, I'm inclined to think they co-created one another.

In any event, evolution is evolution and capitalism will one day be superseded by something else. Socialism??? Maybe, I dunno.

Laterz.

 

[Cruentus]

Oh no!! You actually want somebody to present an idea?? The name of the game around here is criticism and how your point is wrong/idiotic/ill thought/yadda yadda if you havent noticed....

So, lets change that trend. I started a new thread here where we can focus on solutions rather then criticisms:

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14707

Have fun!

:boing2:

 

[Makalakumu]

So, lets change that trend. I started a new thread here where we can focus on solutions rather then criticisms:

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14707

Have fun!

:boing2:

Don't everyone quit here. From the criticisms come the solutions.