Attacking the Guard

[windwalker099]

Kung Fu Wang goes through sometimes. People "hang him" on a technique but a few months later it makes sense and someone would bring up a technique that was the same thing that Wang was saying by they disagreed with.

KF Wang,

A lot of history behind his work..
Interesting perspective always a good read.
On many things we might not agree on.

Reminds me of some of the older Shifu, I've talked with over the yrs...
the "fighters" very pragmatic in their approaches.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Now a little old, working on things found interesting over the yrs...
not into arguments, find sharing experience's, thoughts to be interesting, informative,
thought provoking...in understanding different perspective's

This is pretty much where I am these days. I "say it" just so "it's on record" that it was said then I "let the world catch up." I'm fortunate enough that MartialTalk has some quality practitioners that take the approach that this is what the other guys in Martial Arts do and get some perspective on that. That helps me with my own training because I almost always see where I'm lacking in my own training. I knew that I didn't have a ground game, but I didn't know just how bad it was until I did a few exercises with @Tony Dismukes

But at least know I understand why I feel like a boulder on the ground. I have zero mobility skill on the ground and I didn't like that feeling. I always said that I won't blend Jow Ga and BJJ, but ground mobility is my next improvment project. It doesn't have to be BJJ, but it needs to be much better than what it is. I lost 16lbs and will loose more to help with that effort so I'm not a walrus

 

[JowGaWolf]

well, looping motions are typically easy to read.

lol you are going to make me post all of my videos of me hitting people with slow looping motion lol

 

[Tony Dismukes]

I have zero mobility skill on the ground and I didn't like that feeling. I always said that I won't blend Jow Ga and BJJ, but ground mobility is my next improvment project. It doesn't have to be BJJ, but it needs to be much better than what it is. I lost 16lbs and will loose more to help with that effort so I'm not a walrus

You don't have to do BJJ to move well on the ground. The exercises in this video are good for someone who does BJJ or wrestling or Judo or Capoeira or Silat or heck, probably Parkour as well.

One idea which might help unify all these movements is that on the ground you aren't necessarily just using your legs and feet to support and move your body. All of you becomes the "feet" and "legs."

In other words, at any given moment, your "feet" (your support surface in contact with the ground) might be your feet, your hands, your knees, your elbows, your shoulders, your butt, your back, or your head. (Or some combination of these.) And this can change continuously from moment to moment. And therefore your "legs" (which provide movement) can be your legs, your arms, your core, or even your neck. The core muscles are typically the ones which give the most trouble for beginners.

 

[JowGaWolf]

You don't have to do BJJ to move well on the ground. The exercises in this video are good for someone who does BJJ or wrestling or Judo or Capoeira or Silat or heck, probably Parkour as well.

My only options are BJJ and Wrestling because those are the only people I have contact with and they can help me when I move in a bad way. I specifically like your approach mainly because that demonstration that you did where you were able to lift me up while I was pressing on your shoulder was impressive. I could have been put in 50 different joint locks that day and that concept of movement would still be the most impressive thing of the day for me.

The core muscles are typically the ones which give the most trouble for beginners.

This is where my weakness is. My core is only strong in one type of movement. So if I get out of the box with that movement then I struggle or work harder in the wrong way.

 

[JowGaWolf]

A lot of history behind his work..
Interesting perspective always a good read.
On many things we might not agree on.

There are times where I didn't agree with him and a couple of months passed and I was explaining something that I knew how to do, and it was the same thing that I disagreed with Wang a few months earlier. This has happened more than once so when wang says something I typically don't reply when I disagree. I'll wait a few days and then read what he said previously to see if I read it differently.

I'm still not keen on his Rhino Guard lol

 

[windwalker099]

I'm still not keen on his Rhino Guard lol

Neither am I

Maybe for different reason's.
His work, based on his approach.
others finding merit in it, through their studies and practice.
what can one say ?

CMA a wide field of study...
Old ones passing on their knowledge and experience
to new ones coming up...

 

[JowGaWolf]

Neither am I

Maybe for different reason's.
His work, based on his approach.
others finding merit in it, through their studies and practice.
what can one say ?

CMA a wide field of study...
Old ones passing on their knowledge and experience
to new ones coming up...

If Wang and I were 2 rivers. His river would lead to the ocean of grappling. Mine would lead to the ocean of striking. Keeping this in mind helps to keep in perspective the things he looking at.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

I'm still not keen on his Rhino Guard lol

For striking art, "rhino guard" may not be that useful.

One day when you are serious about "head lock", you will appreciate "rhino guard". IMO, "rhino guard" is the easiest way to obtain a "head lock".

rhino guard -> zombie arms -> head lock

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

If Wang and I were 2 rivers. His river would lead to the ocean of grappling. Mine would lead to the ocean of striking. Keeping this in mind helps to keep in perspective the things he looking at.

When I was a striker, I always wondered, "Can I really knock this guy down?"

When I became a wrestler, I could take a guy down and put my hand behind his head, so his head won't hit the ground.

You can throw a guy 100 times and he will still be your friend. But if you knock down your opponent once, he won't be your friend anymore. Wrestling game is much more civilized than the striking game.

 

[JowGaWolf]

For striking art, "rhino guard" may not be that useful.

One day when you are serious about "head lock", you will appreciate "rhino guard". IMO, "rhino guard" is the easiest way to obtain a "head lock".

rhino guard -> zombie arms -> head lock

I'll give it a try when my grappling skills are much better, just to see how someone will try to break it.

 

[JowGaWolf]

You can throw a guy 100 times and he will still be your friend. But if you knock down your opponent once, he won't be your friend anymore. Wrestling game is much more civilized than the striking game.

yeah. I'm not going to believe this one from you lol . This statement doesn't fit your personality lol

 

[windwalker099]

When I was a striker, I always wondered, "Can I really knock this guy down?"

When I became a wrestler, I could take a guy down and put my hand behind his head, so his head won't hit the ground.

You can throw a guy 100 times and he will still be your friend. But if you knock down your opponent once, he won't be your friend anymore. Wrestling game is much more civilized than the striking game.

The same could be said of those that practice "push hands" feeling its much more civilized then wrestling or striking.

As a practice method not much of an issue within the same group, understanding what their practice is about.
Outside the group there is a kind of code/understanding, among those that engage in the practice.

With out it, things can get heated,,,,among players..

 

[drop bear]

At 1.04, he uses downward parry on his opponent's left arm, his opponent can borrow his force, spins his left arm, and hook punches back at his head. This is why I always suggest, downward parry (or hook punch) should be followed with a wrist grab.

You can still limp arm the grab.

The trick to any parry is you don't slap the arm down but create a frame past the line of your own head.

That way your parry arm stops a bit sooner and is mechanically stronger.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

You can still limp arm the grab.

The trick to any parry is you don't slap the arm down but create a frame past the line of your own head.

That way your parry arm stops a bit sooner and is mechanically stronger.

Your opponent may have less force to borrow, but he can still borrow your intention as long as he rotates his arm the same direction as your downward parry (or hook punch) is moving.

 

[marvin8]

If your opponent can borrow your intention (not your force), before your left hand can make contact on his right arm, his right arm can spin. In your picture, his right hand is already below your head. Your right hand is below his head but with some horizontal distance. If you and your opponent have the same speed, since his right hook travels less distance than your right hook does, his right hook may hit your head before your right hook can hit his head.

Of course, you can use left arm to comb hair (or arm wrap). He can also use his left arm to com hair (or rm wrap) too. I'll say it can be 50-50.

I have made this into a drill.

1. A's left hand downward parry (or hook punch) B's right arm.
2. Before A's arm touches B's arm, B right hood punches at A's head.
3. A left arm comb hair to block B's right hook.
4. A repeats 1 - 3 on right hand.
5. B repeats 1 - 4.

The problem is when your opponent leads you to react with false intentions (e.g., jab feint, static guard). Your plans on borrowing, parrying down, striking or grabbing the lead arm leaves you open to counters or KO. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. -Mike Tyson

Rojo lures Galavan to parry down his lead jab feint while he KOs Galavan with the overhand right.

https://imgur.com/vU7or5p

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

The problem is when your opponent leads you to react with false intentions (e.g., jab feint, static guard).

Borrow intention go both ways.

 

[marvin8]

Borrow intention go both ways.

Not if the opponent is double weighted as in the GIF.