That looks no more or less effective than your average MMA ground and pound.
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That looks no more or less effective than your average MMA ground and pound.
4) Punch him in the face.
Hanzou
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Your "average" MMA ground and pound is from the mount position, not the guard position. You'll never be able to punch your way out of a properly applied guard.
Some questions.
1) How hard was the strike?
2) How long was the contact (Was it an elastic or inelastic collision)?
3) Was there a momentary pause after he got hit?
4) Was there a complete seal on his ear hole (the pressure wave does more damage when it has nowhere else to go)?
5) Did his head move with the blow?
A double ear slap is not a finishing technique it is a set up or a distraction for a finishing technique.
So no one ever punches when someone has them in a guard position? The position is not the issue.
drop bear
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You skill set really isn't about GNP. It is avoiding the other guys.
OK it kind of is but the focus on it is far less.
But otherwise hand trapping from there is part of the MMA skill set.
Hanzou
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Sure they do, and they could definitely get some shots in there. However, those couple of shots pale in comparison to the chokes, armlocks, and sweeps the guy on the bottom can do.
In short, attempting to break the (closed) guard with punches is a pretty dumb thing to do.
When your opponent's right leading hand grabs on your right leading wrist, if your try to use your left back hand to punch on his face, he can use his right hand to drag your right arm to your left, not only your body will spin to your left, your right leading arm will jam your left back arm. Both will prevent your left fist from reaching to his face.
This is a simple example that during clinch, some punches won't be effective. Your opponent's quick "shaking (a fast downward pulling followed by a fast upward pushing)" on your arm can stop your punching power generate in the early stage.
During clinch, if you pay attention on your opponent's hand grips, his leg will attack your leg.
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The 3 options you gave that I added to were for a wrist grab not a clinch. If someone grabs your wrist and you choose option 4 you don't wait until he gets a good grip and drags your arm across you.
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That depends on how effectively you punch.
drop bear
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Yeah sorry but not really. Hitting from inside guard is viable.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=imsvH09NG4g
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Hanzou
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Did you actually watch the video? He was using punches to distract while performing a standing guard break. The punches didn't break the guard, the standing guard break broke the guard.
BTW, the punches were actually pretty pointless. You can do the exact same guard break without the punches.
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Hanzou
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I've seen very nice hammer fists to the chest from guard before, caused the fighter on his back to try and turn so guard was broken.
Hanzou said:
How much sparring have you done with skilled GnP-ers? Have you watched the many professional MMA fighters who specialize at striking from within the guard rather than bothering to work on passing? It's not only possible to beat someone up and even finish them with strikes from within the guard, but it's been done at the highest levels of competition.
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Yeah, not really. Effective GnP from within the guard is a tricky technical tactic that required both grappling and striking skills, but probably more grappling than striking. The original clip that Hanzou was complaining about is a very poor demonstration of skill from both the top and the bottom. (It's not fraudulent, just poorly done.)
I'm a pretty mediocre GnP-er myself, which makes me appreciate the skill possessed by the folks who do it well*. If I'm striking from within the guard, it's usually to provoke openings which will allow me to pass. Alternately I may use pass attempts to provoke openings for my strikes. The guys who are really good with it know how to shut down the bottom person's technique and just land bombs at will.
*(As an MMA fan I don't care for it because I dislike the aesthetic. I still respect the technical ability involved.)
BTW - if you've ever checked out Mario Sperry's Vale Tudo instructional series, he teaches using punches to open the closed guard - not as a distraction but as the fundamental basis of the technique.
Spoken like someone who has never been put into guard before.
Spoken like someone I've never punched before.
Hanzou
Grandmaster
I have no problem believing that an elite MMA fighter who has trained extensively in grappling, guard work, and striking from within guard could definitely finish someone with strikes from within guard.
I'm not talking about elite MMA fighters though. I'm talking about average Joe martial artists who are watching anti-grappling videos and have limited to no grappling experience.
Well, it's true that there's a huge gap between elite MMA fighters and average Joe martial artists.
You can flip that around, however. Your average Joe martial artist is not likely to end up in the situation where they're in the guard of an elite MMA fighter. If average Joe is in a fight and ends up in someone's guard, his opponent is likely to be either a) an untrained person who just caught guard by instinct or b) an average BJJ student who statistically speaking will be either white or blue belt and (the way things are going these days) may have only ever trained for tournament competition rather than street combatives or MMA. In either case, striking from within the guard is a perfectly viable option.
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