Not sure what the analogy means, but I was referring to my interaction with the guy before you. I gave him plenty of chances to exit without a scratch on his ego, but some people have to feel like they've earned the W in an internet pissing contest in order to feel good.
I was trying to suggest an area where one is more likely to run into someone with real fighting experience. Those fights we see on World Star Hip Hop aren't happening in gated communities...
So videos of guys throwing surprise shots at pedestrians, often with their back turned, check.
So your personal experience is valid, just not anyone elses?
No. That's not most fights on WSHH.
I know, there's also people getting jumped, drunk idiots boxing and a variety of other street crimes.
Ramsey Dewey gave his opinion on the state of Aikido, his arguments with anything are training and the behavior of the community. Dewey would be one of the first people to tell you its about the quality of your personal training, you are misrepresenting his complaints with your absolute position that Aikido doesn't work.
I agree with you the individual plays a factor in how effective they will be in an encounter . However, each style has it's own training culture and methods on skill development. The methodology/culture that emphasizes contact drills(pad work, randori, combo exchanges) opposed to those that emphasize only no-contact or cooperative drills will result in two different outcomes. The first method will produce a more combatively capable martial artist, while the other not as much.
The more determined in training will result in those that are more combatively capable. However, in an encounter, training and experience play a tremendous factor. You can be more determined, but if you're receiving hard face shots or are thrown into the ground head first by a better trained opponent, your determination is going to give out either mentally or physically.
Aikido itself is almost universally known as the cooperative training style for that's the one most common.
I know, there's also people getting jumped, drunk idiots boxing and a variety of other street crimes.
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But hey, I guess when you walk around your sub division, I mean, "hood", sorry, showing people video of your sweet martial arts to intimidate them that's part of the scene huh?
I did, he isnt saying anything I havent said myself, right here or in the other thread.
Now we are arguing about the quality of available schools, not the system. Unless we are going to equate the system itself to the current body of schools. If you learn to apply the techniques with resistive training, it works for what its designed to do. This is more of the false premise that a martial art needs to be unilaterally effective in all conditions. It doesnt, it merely has to perform the way it is intended. Once again, BJJ has no striking, yet that fact seems to get forgotten everytime this discussion comes up. The bulk of Aikido is in its philosophy, movement and methodology, the sixty or so techniques which make up its forms fill the gaps in Judo and Ju-Jitsu the way they were intended to.
What's the timestamp of where he said anything about the quality of the training?
They train to use the momentum of the punch to take down the opponent. This is prominent in Traditional Jiujitsu too. Common techniques when countering the punch are hip throws, wrist locks and arm lock takedowns. Here:
Whether there is striking or grappling is irrelevant to whether the training model is sound. You don't have to learn everything. I think you just need to learn to do what you think you're learning to do. In BJJ you lean to apply reliable grappling skills. In aikido, you said yourself that this isn't so.
