Ai tips and Tricks with a dash of martial arts.

[JowGaWolf]

A site from China listed as a security risk by sites in the west
doing the same with information they request in their EULA to use their sites.
as what they say "deepseek" does

If you think of things in this light, then you are going to feel that someone is insulting China or insulting the U.S and you are going to get caught up in some emotions that will blind you to reality. The best way to look at Privacy is to view it from a legal lens.

Simply put. What is law regarding Privacy and which Jurisdiction will privacy be view under. For example, The use of DeepSeek is bound by Chinese law. If you want to take legal action against DeepSeek then you would have to do so in a Chinese Judicial system not an American Judicial system. This basically means that my U.S. rights as a citizen do not apply in Chinese Law.

Here is how you should look at it. What does the Privacy Law Say? How is the law different in comparison.

Enforcement:

• China: Enforcement is centralized under national laws like PIPL, CSL, and DSL.
• USA: Enforcement is decentralized, with the FTC, state attorneys general, and sector-specific regulators playing roles.

This is China's Approach to Private Information.
Government Access:

• Requirement: Chinese laws, such as the Personal Information Protection Law (PIPL), allow the government to access personal information for national security, public interest, and other purposes.
• Implication: The government can request access to personal data without the same level of judicial oversight required in the U.S.

Broad Scope of Data Collection:

• Requirement: Chinese laws permit the collection of a wide range of personal data, including biometric information, for various purposes.
• Implication: This broad scope can lead to extensive data collection and surveillance.

US approach to Privacy
Judicial Oversight:

• Requirement: U.S. laws generally require judicial oversight for government access to personal data, such as through warrants or subpoenas

Key Differences​

• Data Localization: China requires certain data to be stored within its borders, while the U.S. does not have a similar federal requirement.
• Government Access: China's laws allow for broader government access to personal data without the same level of judicial oversight as in the U.S.
• Comprehensive vs. Sector-Specific: China has a comprehensive data protection law (PIPL), while the U.S. relies on a patchwork of sector-specific and state-level laws.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Oh another thing about Google. I personally don't trust Google. Which is why I keep my use of Google very limited.

This is what google does

Privacy Policy – Privacy & Terms – Google

policies.google.com

It's very specific because they have to cover themselves legally. But that detail also sheds light on what they connect.

 

[windwalker099]

If you think of things in this light, then you are going to feel that someone is insulting China or insulting the U.S and you are going to get caught up in some emotions that will blind you to reality. The best way to look at Privacy is to view it from a legal lens.

On the contrary, I spent a lot of my life living, and working overseas in the tech world in the Asia Pacific, southeast Asia region.
Understand about different rulesets in other countries.

If you worked in other countries in the tech world you would know this directly.
In Korea, Samsung fab, they can wipe your PC drive if the the memory shows an increase
in storage level.

Were you so concerned, when the EU and other countries mentioned the same thing about US companies specifically Google..
Hadn't notice any post here regarding this...

China to launch Google probe

Google faces call from DuckDuckGo for new EU probes into tech rule compliance

View AI at it's present development level as more of an interactive search engine, which will continue to improve as it's integrated into more and more of the tech that people use daily..

The United States is attempting to maintain its primacy in certain fields, particularly in AI.

Instead of fostering open competition, the approach appears to focus on restricting other markets to prevent them from effectively competing with the U.S.

This new model seems centered on preserving dominance rather than encouraging innovation through direct competition.

AI is poised to become an integral component of all emerging technologies. Major companies like Windows, Apple, and Google already have their own proprietary AI platforms.

The key difference is that these proprietary systems are closed; no one truly knows what is happening inside them. On the other hand, DeepSeek operates as an open-source platform, allowing people to inspect and verify its code, gaining insight into its development. However, DeepSeek’s legal and operational framework originates from China.

Problem ?

 

[windwalker099]

“It’s time for OpenAI to return to the open-source, safety-focused force for good it once was,” Musk said,
according to a statement from his attorney, Marc Toberoff.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Were you so concerned, when the EU and other countries mentioned the same thing about US companies specifically Google..
Hadn't notice any post here regarding this.

Again follow what the laws are in the country. it's not about what I worry about. I already stated that I don't trust Google. I already stated that I don't use Google Sign in.

Why would I worry about Google in UE? I don't trust Google. Whatever the UE doesn't like is just going to fall in line with why I don't trust Google. You also don't see me in this tread talking about how safe Google is or how well they protect personal information. The reason why you don't see me talk like that is because I know that not true.

The stuff that I don't trust is the same stuff that I either don't use or that I limit my use of.

The United States is attempting to maintain its primacy in certain fields, particularly in AI.

It not the US. It's the US companies. Thats why the government made laws against monopolies. That's why I keep saying focus on the laws of the country because anthing else is just going to blind you to what is going on. The US can't maintain Primacy in technology. Why? Because non citizens also work on these projects. Alot of what is done with Ai isn't even done in the US.

It's not the US. It's the companies Name 2 US government platforms that use Ai that's being market to the public.

The purpose of developing closed software is a business decision with the goal that you can maintain a competitive edge over other businesses. Copilot is closed because the are Integrating it with their office programs in a way that the have a competitive edge over the completion. It's no different than keeping a secret about how Pepsi is made. Make Pepsi open source then everyone can make Pepsi and Pepsi would lose the competitive edge.

However, DeepSeek’s legal and operational framework originates from China.

Problem ?

Yes this is a problem .
1. I don't live in China
2 Because I don't live in China I should not be subjected to the laws of China? Which is why I don't use Deepseek because then my private information would be subjected to China's Laws
3. If I want to be subjected to China's laws then I would go visit or live there at which time I would be subjected to Chinese Law.

Just because a software is open source doesn't mean your personal information won't be at risk or used outside of the protections of the laws in your own country. You don't have to believe me. Read the terms of any app made outside of the country you live in. They will tell you right up front.

Again dump whatever feelings of fairness that you have. it's not about being fair. it's about the law of that country.

 

[JowGaWolf]

“It’s time for OpenAI to return to the open-source, safety-focused force for good it once was,” Musk said,
according to a statement from his attorney, Marc Toberoff.

I don't listen to anything musk says. His cars aren't open sourced. For the same reason I told you about about having a competitive edge in business. His Grok Ai is opened source simply because it's a cheaper way to develop the Ai software. If he had a competitive edge with Grok then it wouldn't be open sourced.

 

[JowGaWolf]

“It’s time for OpenAI to return to the open-source, safety-focused force for good it once was,” Musk said,
according to a statement from his attorney, Marc Toberoff.

Here's the real reason why musk says this.

Open Ai is ahead in it's develop. Musk's Ai Grok is training behind it's development. Musk wants to benefit from having access to OpenAi's gains, which he currently doesn't have. This backs up what I've been telling you about Musk. He's not saying those things for our benefit. It's for his benefit. If he buys OpenAi then there will be no need to comb through their advances. He would own their advances.

Elon Musk-led group makes $97 billion bid for control of OpenAI​

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/elon-musk-led-group-makes-974-billion-bid-control-openai-wsj-reports-2025-02-10/

 

[O'Malley]

This thread is getting political.

Also, and with no disrespect towards honest attempts at understanding legislation, the legal analyses featured in this thread are to a lawyer what Ashida Kim's books are to a martial arts coach. I doubt it could foster any meaningful discussion.

 

[JowGaWolf]

This thread is getting political.

Also, and with no disrespect towards honest attempts at understanding legislation, the legal analyses featured in this thread are to a lawyer what Ashida Kim's books are to a martial arts coach. I doubt it could foster any meaningful discussion.

We haven't discussed any laws. The only thing legal that has been pointed out is
1. China's Laws are not the Same as US laws.
2. Read terms and agreement and terms of Use because it tells you what the company can do. Use of the software is acceptance of that agreement.

These are well known facts and you don't need a lawyer for this.

Companies choose which legal system that they want to be under (FACT)
This is business law 101 literally.
These things are things you should know as a consumer.
"
A "Jurisdiction" section in a terms of use contract specifies which court system will be used to resolve any disputes arising from the agreement, essentially determining where a legal case can be filed if a disagreement occurs between the user and the company; this is important because different jurisdictions have different laws, and companies often want to choose a legal system they consider most favorable for potential disputes.

Key points about the Jurisdiction section:

• Choice of court:
  It allows the company to designate a specific geographic location where legal actions must be brought, potentially limiting where a user can sue them.
  
  
• Legal consistency:
  By specifying a jurisdiction, both parties are aware of the legal framework that will be applied to interpret the terms of service.
  
  
• Business considerations:
  Companies often choose a jurisdiction where they are based or where they believe the legal system is most advantageous for their interests. "

Again.:
Companies often choose a jurisdiction where they are based or where they believe the legal system is most advantageous for their interests. "

 

[JowGaWolf]

Also, and with no disrespect towards honest attempts at understanding legislation, the legal analyses featured in this thread are to a lawyer what Ashida Kim's books are to a martial arts coach.

So if I find a laywer who is willing teach about the law would this satisfy this concern that you bring up?

 

[JowGaWolf]

Oh I forgot to post that CoPilot's Think De482567718f11

On the contrary, I spent a lot of my life living, and working overseas in the tech world in the Asia Pacific, southeast Asia region.
Understand about different rulesets in other countries.

If you worked in other countries in the tech world you would know this directly.
In Korea, Samsung fab, they can wipe your PC drive if the the memory shows an increase
in storage level.

Were you so concerned, when the EU and other countries mentioned the same thing about US companies specifically Google..
Hadn't notice any post here regarding this...

China to launch Google probe

Google faces call from DuckDuckGo for new EU probes into tech rule compliance

View AI at it's present development level as more of an interactive search engine, which will continue to improve as it's integrated into more and more of the tech that people use daily..

The United States is attempting to maintain its primacy in certain fields, particularly in AI.

Instead of fostering open competition, the approach appears to focus on restricting other markets to prevent them from effectively competing with the U.S.

This new model seems centered on preserving dominance rather than encouraging innovation through direct competition.

AI is poised to become an integral component of all emerging technologies. Major companies like Windows, Apple, and Google already have their own proprietary AI platforms.

The key difference is that these proprietary systems are closed; no one truly knows what is happening inside them. On the other hand, DeepSeek operates as an open-source platform, allowing people to inspect and verify its code, gaining insight into its development. However, DeepSeek’s legal and operational framework originates from China.

Problem ?

I just watched that video and everything in it is all over the place. I personally stay away from videos and people like that because they will start with one topic and then introduce several non-related topics as a way of showing proof for the first point they originally made. What I saw in that video clip are the same thing that we call in martial talk as "Moving the goal post."

1. World Dominance is based on Knowledge (full stop). No one gets to the top by being stupid.
2. Everything else in the world is going to be based on Economics, Business, and Laws.

Knowledge​

Knowledge forms the foundation for innovation, education, and progress. It drives technological advancements and informed decision-making. A well-educated population is better equipped to contribute to various sectors, fostering a cycle of growth and development.

Business​

Business activities stimulate economic growth by creating jobs, generating income, and promoting investments. They drive competition and innovation, leading to improved products and services. A vibrant business sector also attracts foreign investment, further boosting the nation's economy.

Economy​

A strong and stable economy provides the resources needed for infrastructure, healthcare, education, and social services. Economic growth improves the standard of living and reduces poverty. It also ensures financial stability, enabling the nation to invest in long-term development projects.

Laws​

Laws establish the legal framework within which individuals and businesses operate. They ensure justice, protect rights, and maintain order. Effective laws encourage entrepreneurship and investment by providing a predictable and secure environment. They also address social issues, protect the environment, and promote fair competition.

By fostering a knowledgeable population, encouraging business activities, ensuring a strong economy, and implementing effective laws, a nation can achieve sustainable growth and prosperity.

The nations that struggle the most are the ones who are weak in these areas. Ai is a big game changer because it closes the dollar cost to make gains in this area.

 

[O'Malley]

We haven't discussed any laws. The only thing legal that has been pointed out is
1. China's Laws are not the Same as US laws.
2. Read terms and agreement and terms of Use because it tells you what the company can do. Use of the software is acceptance of that agreement.

These are well known facts and you don't need a lawyer for this.

I agree that these are obvious statements, but the discussion was not limited to that. For example:

Companies choose which legal system that they want to be under (FACT)
This is business law 101 literally.

This is incorrect. While, in international business matters, it may be possible for parties (e.g. companies) to choose the jurisdiction whose laws will regulate a given contract, and the competent forum for legal disputes, companies are still subject to the laws of the countries where they are established or conduct business. The rest of the post is copy/pasted from Copilot or another AI but there's no substance.

Oh I forgot to post that CoPilot's Think De482567718f11

I just watched that video and everything in it is all over the place. I personally stay away from videos and people like that because they will start with one topic and then introduce several non-related topics as a way of showing proof for the first point they originally made. What I saw in that video clip are the same thing that we call in martial talk as "Moving the goal post."

1. World Dominance is based on Knowledge (full stop). No one gets to the top by being stupid.
2. Everything else in the world is going to be based on Economics, Business, and Laws.

Knowledge​

Knowledge forms the foundation for innovation, education, and progress. It drives technological advancements and informed decision-making. A well-educated population is better equipped to contribute to various sectors, fostering a cycle of growth and development.

Business​

Business activities stimulate economic growth by creating jobs, generating income, and promoting investments. They drive competition and innovation, leading to improved products and services. A vibrant business sector also attracts foreign investment, further boosting the nation's economy.

Economy​

A strong and stable economy provides the resources needed for infrastructure, healthcare, education, and social services. Economic growth improves the standard of living and reduces poverty. It also ensures financial stability, enabling the nation to invest in long-term development projects.

Laws​

Laws establish the legal framework within which individuals and businesses operate. They ensure justice, protect rights, and maintain order. Effective laws encourage entrepreneurship and investment by providing a predictable and secure environment. They also address social issues, protect the environment, and promote fair competition.

By fostering a knowledgeable population, encouraging business activities, ensuring a strong economy, and implementing effective laws, a nation can achieve sustainable growth and prosperity.

The nations that struggle the most are the ones who are weak in these areas. Ai is a big game changer because it closes the dollar cost to make gains in this area.

(bold part was obviously AI-generated, the rest you wrote yourself)

Again, this barely makes sense. Firstly, business is a subset of economy. Secondly, the list leaves out things like military power (nukes constitute an immense geopolitical privilege that has allowed Russia and the US to get away with things other nations wouldn't have). And thirdly, each point has no substance to it so it's difficult to further engage, or to understand your point.

So if I find a laywer who is willing teach about the law would this satisfy this concern that you bring up?

My point is that, while one is absolutely free to discuss legal matters on an internet forum or with an AI, I highly doubt one can get anything useful from it. So I'd recommend one be conscious of it.

 

[JowGaWolf]

This is incorrect. While, in international business matters, it may be possible for parties (e.g. companies) to choose the jurisdiction whose laws will regulate a given contract, and the competent forum for legal disputes, companies are still subject to the laws of the countries where they are established or conduct business. The rest of the post is copy/pasted from Copilot or another AI but there's no substance.

It still holds true. Companies choose which laws to be under which is my point. They do it in the U.S. and they do it in every country. In the US, they pick the state that has the most favorable laws. It's in the contracts and it's in the terms of agreement. If the company fall under New York Jurisdiction and you want sue a company under the laws of your state outside of New York then it's not happening. They only way that happens if if the NewYork has the same related law or if it's government law.


The post that I copied from Ai was to get you think. I did not post it for proof. I always include references when I post Proof. If you think about what was posted then, then you will seek the pattern. If you change you view this from a Government Perception, then you are going to slip into politics and miss the truth. But you have to learn how to "see beyond the flashy lights."

I will leave you with one more thought on this. Companies are the biggest government lobbyists in every government system. Now ask yourself, Why? Then ask yourself "Is it really the government and politics or is it business."

Since you say that my comment about business choosing legal jurisdictions. I'll provide you with proof if that's what you want. I recommend either doing a google search or an Ai Search. So, you can see much larger examples of this.

Firstly, business is a subset of economy.

Business is not a subset of economy. Business is the economy. For it to be a subset, then that means an economy can exist without businesses and that's not true. This is one of the many definitions of Economy. If this doesn't satisfy you then ask Ai if it's possible to have an economy without Business. Or ask Ai if it possible to have an economy without the trade of goods and services. In short. If I have something that you want and you have nothing that I want then there is no trade of goods.



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companies are still subject to the laws of the countries where they are established or conduct business.

I never said that they weren't. But it's not like you are thinking.

Take this real world example.

Consumer A and Software Company B where Company B is a different country than Consumer A.

Consumer A gets on his computer and hops on the Internet Website of Company B. Company B has all of its business and services located in Country B.

When Consumer A gets on Company B's webservices (Ai), it means that Consumer A is accessing the server that is physically in another country. This server is required to follow the laws of the country that it exists in. In Company's B country, their law states the Government can have access to personal data for purposes such as national security and public interest. The government has the authority to access personal information without the same level of judicial oversight required in some other countries.

These are some examples of Personal Information.

Common Types of Personal Information​

1. Basic Identifiers: Name, address, phone number, email address, date of birth.
2. Government Identifiers: Social Security number (SSN), driver's license number, passport number.
3. Financial Information: Bank account details, credit card numbers, transaction history.
4. Health Information: Medical records, health insurance details, genetic data.
5. Biometric Data: Fingerprints, facial recognition data, iris scans, voiceprints.
6. Online Identifiers: IP addresses, cookies, device identifiers, browsing history, social media profiles.
7. Employment Information: Job title, employment history, salary details, performance evaluations.
8. Location Data: GPS coordinates, travel history, address history.
9. Communication Data: Emails, text messages, chat logs, call history.

Because Consumer A and Company B are not in the same country, there may be a different Legal Definition of what is considered Personal Information. Other definitions that will make a difference would be the term Public Interest. This term may not be the same in Country B.

Company B can take personal information of Customer A without a warrant. Because Customer A is using servers that are located in Country B, Country B Law states that the government has the right to take Customer A personal information. Customer A has no legal option to prevent Company B from taking and using the personal information because Company B by law does not have to follow Company A's laws.

This is why Countries will Ban certain websites. They have no legal solution to sue or stop the foreign company that is in Country B.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Elon Musk will make his AI Grok available this Monday. I'll be holding off on this one, I won't be among the early bunch to test it. I currently don't trust it. I need to give it some time for hackers to go after it. Google AI Gemini has taken a step in the right direction. Their Ai can now remember chat history which is a really big step especially for anyone interested in using Ai to help with the analysis of Martial Arts or any sport for that matter.

This is a big deal because now it brings out the ability to factor in history / past actions / past human behavior. This ultimately allows it use "predictive behavior." While this won't allow us to predict crime before it happens (like that movie). It will allow us to virtually test run everything from social programs to businesses. Thinking about opening a Martial Arts school and you want to know which area is the best area to open it? This is were this type of ai would be able to take the publicly available information and history of an area to help determine which type of geographic areas are good for opening a Martial Arts school.

It would benefit social programs that are created to assist and help the community. By factoring in past behaviors and effects on the area, one will be able to keep their services in tune with the needs of the community.

The problem that Ai has is that it can't remember anything which causes the Ai to be come dumber. It means people are always starting over from the beginning but not in the same way. It also means that the Ai cannot take into consideration things that have happened since Ai was first asked about the topic. The focus on Ai has currently been on Chips but it's going to eventually mean more hard drive space, and paid subscriptions. Copilot and OpenAi are already moving in that direction, and others will soon follow as it's impossible to have infinite storage space without a cost.

How does this help Martial Arts. Imagine a school that uses Ai to build out an extensive catalog of techniques and applications simply by allowing Ai to watch sparring video. Traditional Martial Arts will have an advantage because of the forms and kata that can be preloaded into Ai as a reference point in which Ai can Analyze the movement. Striking arts will receive the most benefit as grappling arts are sometimes so close that it's impossible to see what is going on with a technique. I know it's still a long way off but, the company that is able to do this will instantly make an unbelievable amount of money. Well actually everyone will.

While there will be a lot of broken eggs that hit the floor, I welcome anything that can analyze human behavior. Just speaking from a security aspect, it would be nice way for Ai to detect suspicious behavior in stores and outside of stores (on store property).

 

[JowGaWolf]

This is a recent article that talks about why Musk wants to buy OpenAi and why he says OpenAi should remain a product of open development. I'm only posting this here since it was discussed here.

The link is below. I got it from MSN. The original article comes from The Hill

MSN

This is the original article on The Hill's website

https://thehill.com/newsletters/technology/5146802-why-musk-may-want-to-control-openai/