Ai tips and Tricks with a dash of martial arts.

[JowGaWolf]

A site from China listed as a security risk by sites in the west
doing the same with information they request in their EULA to use their sites.
as what they say "deepseek" does

If you think of things in this light, then you are going to feel that someone is insulting China or insulting the U.S and you are going to get caught up in some emotions that will blind you to reality. The best way to look at Privacy is to view it from a legal lens.

Simply put. What is law regarding Privacy and which Jurisdiction will privacy be view under. For example, The use of DeepSeek is bound by Chinese law. If you want to take legal action against DeepSeek then you would have to do so in a Chinese Judicial system not an American Judicial system. This basically means that my U.S. rights as a citizen do not apply in Chinese Law.

Here is how you should look at it. What does the Privacy Law Say? How is the law different in comparison.

Enforcement:

• China: Enforcement is centralized under national laws like PIPL, CSL, and DSL.
• USA: Enforcement is decentralized, with the FTC, state attorneys general, and sector-specific regulators playing roles.

This is China's Approach to Private Information.
Government Access:

• Requirement: Chinese laws, such as the Personal Information Protection Law (PIPL), allow the government to access personal information for national security, public interest, and other purposes.
• Implication: The government can request access to personal data without the same level of judicial oversight required in the U.S.

Broad Scope of Data Collection:

• Requirement: Chinese laws permit the collection of a wide range of personal data, including biometric information, for various purposes.
• Implication: This broad scope can lead to extensive data collection and surveillance.

US approach to Privacy
Judicial Oversight:

• Requirement: U.S. laws generally require judicial oversight for government access to personal data, such as through warrants or subpoenas

Key Differences​

• Data Localization: China requires certain data to be stored within its borders, while the U.S. does not have a similar federal requirement.
• Government Access: China's laws allow for broader government access to personal data without the same level of judicial oversight as in the U.S.
• Comprehensive vs. Sector-Specific: China has a comprehensive data protection law (PIPL), while the U.S. relies on a patchwork of sector-specific and state-level laws.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Oh another thing about Google. I personally don't trust Google. Which is why I keep my use of Google very limited.

This is what google does

Privacy Policy – Privacy & Terms – Google

policies.google.com

It's very specific because they have to cover themselves legally. But that detail also sheds light on what they connect.

 

[windwalker099]

If you think of things in this light, then you are going to feel that someone is insulting China or insulting the U.S and you are going to get caught up in some emotions that will blind you to reality. The best way to look at Privacy is to view it from a legal lens.

On the contrary, I spent a lot of my life living, and working overseas in the tech world in the Asia Pacific, southeast Asia region.
Understand about different rulesets in other countries.

If you worked in other countries in the tech world you would know this directly.
In Korea, Samsung fab, they can wipe your PC drive if the the memory shows an increase
in storage level.

Were you so concerned, when the EU and other countries mentioned the same thing about US companies specifically Google..
Hadn't notice any post here regarding this...

China to launch Google probe

Google faces call from DuckDuckGo for new EU probes into tech rule compliance

View AI at it's present development level as more of an interactive search engine, which will continue to improve as it's integrated into more and more of the tech that people use daily..

The United States is attempting to maintain its primacy in certain fields, particularly in AI.

Instead of fostering open competition, the approach appears to focus on restricting other markets to prevent them from effectively competing with the U.S.

This new model seems centered on preserving dominance rather than encouraging innovation through direct competition.

AI is poised to become an integral component of all emerging technologies. Major companies like Windows, Apple, and Google already have their own proprietary AI platforms.

The key difference is that these proprietary systems are closed; no one truly knows what is happening inside them. On the other hand, DeepSeek operates as an open-source platform, allowing people to inspect and verify its code, gaining insight into its development. However, DeepSeek’s legal and operational framework originates from China.

Problem ?

 

[windwalker099]

“It’s time for OpenAI to return to the open-source, safety-focused force for good it once was,” Musk said,
according to a statement from his attorney, Marc Toberoff.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Were you so concerned, when the EU and other countries mentioned the same thing about US companies specifically Google..
Hadn't notice any post here regarding this.

Again follow what the laws are in the country. it's not about what I worry about. I already stated that I don't trust Google. I already stated that I don't use Google Sign in.

Why would I worry about Google in UE? I don't trust Google. Whatever the UE doesn't like is just going to fall in line with why I don't trust Google. You also don't see me in this tread talking about how safe Google is or how well they protect personal information. The reason why you don't see me talk like that is because I know that not true.

The stuff that I don't trust is the same stuff that I either don't use or that I limit my use of.

The United States is attempting to maintain its primacy in certain fields, particularly in AI.

It not the US. It's the US companies. Thats why the government made laws against monopolies. That's why I keep saying focus on the laws of the country because anthing else is just going to blind you to what is going on. The US can't maintain Primacy in technology. Why? Because non citizens also work on these projects. Alot of what is done with Ai isn't even done in the US.

It's not the US. It's the companies Name 2 US government platforms that use Ai that's being market to the public.

The purpose of developing closed software is a business decision with the goal that you can maintain a competitive edge over other businesses. Copilot is closed because the are Integrating it with their office programs in a way that the have a competitive edge over the completion. It's no different than keeping a secret about how Pepsi is made. Make Pepsi open source then everyone can make Pepsi and Pepsi would lose the competitive edge.

However, DeepSeek’s legal and operational framework originates from China.

Problem ?

Yes this is a problem .
1. I don't live in China
2 Because I don't live in China I should not be subjected to the laws of China? Which is why I don't use Deepseek because then my private information would be subjected to China's Laws
3. If I want to be subjected to China's laws then I would go visit or live there at which time I would be subjected to Chinese Law.

Just because a software is open source doesn't mean your personal information won't be at risk or used outside of the protections of the laws in your own country. You don't have to believe me. Read the terms of any app made outside of the country you live in. They will tell you right up front.

Again dump whatever feelings of fairness that you have. it's not about being fair. it's about the law of that country.

 

[JowGaWolf]

“It’s time for OpenAI to return to the open-source, safety-focused force for good it once was,” Musk said,
according to a statement from his attorney, Marc Toberoff.

I don't listen to anything musk says. His cars aren't open sourced. For the same reason I told you about about having a competitive edge in business. His Grok Ai is opened source simply because it's a cheaper way to develop the Ai software. If he had a competitive edge with Grok then it wouldn't be open sourced.

 

[JowGaWolf]

“It’s time for OpenAI to return to the open-source, safety-focused force for good it once was,” Musk said,
according to a statement from his attorney, Marc Toberoff.

Here's the real reason why musk says this.

Open Ai is ahead in it's develop. Musk's Ai Grok is training behind it's development. Musk wants to benefit from having access to OpenAi's gains, which he currently doesn't have. This backs up what I've been telling you about Musk. He's not saying those things for our benefit. It's for his benefit. If he buys OpenAi then there will be no need to comb through their advances. He would own their advances.

Elon Musk-led group makes $97 billion bid for control of OpenAI​

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/elon-musk-led-group-makes-974-billion-bid-control-openai-wsj-reports-2025-02-10/

 

[O'Malley]

This thread is getting political.

Also, and with no disrespect towards honest attempts at understanding legislation, the legal analyses featured in this thread are to a lawyer what Ashida Kim's books are to a martial arts coach. I doubt it could foster any meaningful discussion.

 

[JowGaWolf]

This thread is getting political.

Also, and with no disrespect towards honest attempts at understanding legislation, the legal analyses featured in this thread are to a lawyer what Ashida Kim's books are to a martial arts coach. I doubt it could foster any meaningful discussion.

We haven't discussed any laws. The only thing legal that has been pointed out is
1. China's Laws are not the Same as US laws.
2. Read terms and agreement and terms of Use because it tells you what the company can do. Use of the software is acceptance of that agreement.

These are well known facts and you don't need a lawyer for this.

Companies choose which legal system that they want to be under (FACT)
This is business law 101 literally.
These things are things you should know as a consumer.
"
A "Jurisdiction" section in a terms of use contract specifies which court system will be used to resolve any disputes arising from the agreement, essentially determining where a legal case can be filed if a disagreement occurs between the user and the company; this is important because different jurisdictions have different laws, and companies often want to choose a legal system they consider most favorable for potential disputes.

Key points about the Jurisdiction section:

• Choice of court:
  It allows the company to designate a specific geographic location where legal actions must be brought, potentially limiting where a user can sue them.
  
  
• Legal consistency:
  By specifying a jurisdiction, both parties are aware of the legal framework that will be applied to interpret the terms of service.
  
  
• Business considerations:
  Companies often choose a jurisdiction where they are based or where they believe the legal system is most advantageous for their interests. "

Again.:
Companies often choose a jurisdiction where they are based or where they believe the legal system is most advantageous for their interests. "