10th degree

[Ronin]

howd we get on the subject of food?

 

[tigerstorm]

I was under the impression that Grandmaster Parker promtoed Nick Cerio to 9th degree from 5th?
Tigerstorm

 

[Kirk]

Originally posted by tigerstorm

I was under the impression that Grandmaster Parker promtoed Nick Cerio to 9th degree from 5th?
Tigerstorm

I was under the impression that he never promoted anyone
past 7th degree. Minus the notorious honorary 8ths. I've
never heard of anyone getting 9th?

 

[Goldendragon7]

It was a cross over rank certification that was dated. Cerio was to join the IKKA and start teaching the curriculum ..... withing a short period of time, he opened a studio close to an exisiting IKKA studio so the friendship was ended.


:asian:

 

[tigerstorm]

Ok thank you
Tigerstorm

 

[Kirk]

Originally posted by Goldendragon7

It was a cross over rank certification that was dated. Cerio was to join the IKKA and start teaching the curriculum ..... withing a short period of time, he opened a studio close to an exisiting IKKA studio so the friendship was ended.

Was anyone else a crossover rank? How long after he met Mr.
Parker did his cert get signed?

 

[Goldendragon7]

They knew each other for years....... But Cerio decided to finally join and study "under" Ed Parker and was to learn his system or so he said.

 

[Kirk]

Originally posted by Goldendragon7

They knew each other for years....... But Cerio decided to finally join and study "under" Ed Parker and was to learn his system or so he said.

Majorly uncool!

 

[Goldendragon7]

Except for what his people want to claim ...... and he didn't learn the American Kenpo Material.

But I don't think it matters much today.

:asian:

 

[Seig]

Originally posted by GouRonin


Any of the 10th today have given themselves that rank or been given it through associations they run etc.

But then again, no one ranked Parker to 10th either.

That is not 100% accurate. A panel of Masters can elevate someone to 10th under the Intrnational Sokiship rules as well as some other sanctioning bodies. Within one's own system, a senior master can have his own black belts elevate him as long as he has at least 2/3 of them agree and at least 10 to promote. Don't like that idea at all, but I know someone who did it. No I do not like or respect him so I will not mention his name. You can also inherit it.

 

[Seig]

Originally posted by Chiduce

There was one other promotion to 8th Degree Black Belt (Associate Master). This rank was awarded to the legendary Jay. T. Will in which my kenpo lineage is traced back to GM Parker through is student Master Ed. Hutchison. Master Will was Master Hutchison's Instructor and just 1 of the 10,000 or more students of Master Will! Sincerely, In Humility; Chiduce!

My instructor was also ranked by Master Will. He went under him after SGM Parker passed on.

 

[Seig]

Originally posted by Chiduce

Before he died, Master Will promoted only 2 Black belts to the rank of 6th Degree. Master Dave Harris was one of those Black Belts

Have to disagree there, he promoted Rich Alford also, I have seen the certificate.

 

[Seig]

Originally posted by Seig



That is not 100% accurate. A panel of Masters can elevate someone to 10th under the Intrnational Sokiship rules as well as some other sanctioning bodies. Within one's own system, a senior master can have his own black belts elevate him as long as he has at least 2/3 of them agree and at least 10 to promote. Don't like that idea at all, but I know someone who did it. No I do not like or respect him so I will not mention his name. You can also inherit it.

Sorry guys, that was just a touch of it, obviously some of you knew much more and I posted before I read all the way through!

 

[GouRonin]

If you get a chance ask Big D about the reasoning that Parker gave for ranking himself. It makes perfect sense and I agree with him.

 

[Michael Billings]

Just reading all this string wore me out ... Only to end up back where I thought it was. Talk about a good house cleaning.

Everything stayed pretty clean up until the demise of the IKKA's influence, and fragmentation of the Kenpo Seniors in various directions. In all else, I just remember Dennis Conatser was there with Mr. Parker ... like a bad penny, he always turned up (just kidding.) If anyone knows the history it would be him. Maybe we can talk him into writing a book. I would buy it. Maybe even a couple of books. Uh-oh, now it could be volumes. Watch out, now it is video tapes, CD's, DVD's.

You see how confused it has gotten in a decade since the IKKA's demise. Imagine what it will be like a decade from now if we do not preserve this knowledge.

Oos,
Michael B.:asian:

 

[Goldendragon7]

I have stated before that I did in fact asked him the all important question........ "Who promoted you to 10th?" Of course I qualified it by also saying.... "Sir, I really don't care because I love the system but I have heard others ask and are afraid to ask you and that has peaked my curiosity as well. I really don't care one way or the other because you are an awesome teacher and have developed a great art, but how did you come to wearing a 10th Degree."

Mr. Parker just looked at me for a minute and then said... "Well, to tell ya the truth, I looked around at all the other "Masters of our Time" and evaluated just what they had contributed to the Arts. I then made a list of "MY" accomplishments, and regulated my rank accordingly. No one else has:

* brought together Martial Artists like the Long Beach
Internationals has done for as many years in a row -
* has the current terminology as we have
* Applied Logic in the manner I did
* Created several training aids to illustrate our Art
- Universal Pattern
- Web of Knowledge
- 8 Preparatory Considerations that tailor to the current times
- Movement Curriculums that are Logical and Practical
- Applied Principles of Motion to everything we do
- Taught methods of teaching the material
- Promoted Creative thinking within the ranks
* Written Thesis
* Form Thesis
* Created the 1st truly American Developed Art not a
transplanted one from Asia or elsewhere

"As I looked at these accomplishments in comparison with other "Current Masters of my Time" I ranked myself accordingly."

I said..... Yep ...... you got my vote! No one in history has accomplished what you have...... That's why I'm here and not somewhere else. He just looked at me and laughed ...... then said, "Lets go to Genghis Khans, I'm hungry!"

 

[Klondike93]

I never really thought about where Mr. Parker got his rank, just didn't care I guess. The man was pretty smart about the art of fighting and what it takes to win.

But I still can't get over the one's that have promoted themselves to 10th since he died. Now there are more 10th degrees than you can shake a tree at, where were they when he was alive?


:asian:

 

[Rainman]

Originally posted by Klondike93

I never really thought about where Mr. Parker got his rank, just didn't care I guess. The man was pretty smart about the art of fighting and what it takes to win.

But I still can't get over the one's that have promoted themselves to 10th since he died. Now there are more 10th degrees than you can shake a tree at, where were they when he was alive?


:asian:

Yes there are quite a few AK grand masters out there and the number can only go up as groups and people splinter off.

 

[Goldendragon7]

None of them has even come close to actually developing anything "NEW" like Mr. Parker did. They are all reworking or spin-offs of what he already established.

I myself am comfortable to just keep alive all the Art he had while he was here and expand it as he wanted it!~

"There are two ways of spreading the light......... One to be the candle or Two... the mirror that reflects it."

We can't all be candles but we can all be mirrors!

Some will, some won't ...... but all can!

:asian:

 

[Kirk]

Originally posted by Goldendragon7

None of them has even come close to actually developing anything "NEW" like Mr. Parker did. They are all reworking or spin-offs of what he already established.

I myself am comfortable to just keep alive all the Art he had while he was here and expand it as he wanted it!~

"There are two ways of spreading the light......... One to be the candle or Two... the mirror that reflects it."

We can't all be candles but we can all be mirrors!

Some will, some won't ...... but all can!

The only thing that sucks about that is some seem to be able
to be mirrors quickly and easily, and some of us have to bust
our asses twice as long to accomplish the same skill!