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[wckf92]

Leung Ting's Lat Sau is basically five "attacking hands" implementing what the Chinese call "zin faat zhai yan" (taking initiative/preemptive attacking)

Interesting.
I am not familiar with that term. Can anyone explain further? Perhaps link a video? Show an example?
Thanks!

 

[jlq]

It basically means that you take the initiative to strike the opponent.

Nothing complicated.

Anyone striking an adversary first, taking (over) the initiative is employing this tactic

 

[wckf92]

It basically means that you take the initiative to strike the opponent.

Nothing complicated.

Anyone striking an adversary first, taking (over) the initiative is employing this tactic

Ok.
And you are saying that in the Leung Ting lineage, he teaches 5 hands of this?

 

[jlq]

You have to understand the context...

Leung Ting teaches 7 sections of Chi Sao (basically choreographies of movements from SNT and CK), followed by four sections consisting of moves from the third form, etc.

But this is all chi sao, and as Leung Ting puts it himself, all the cs skill in the world does no good if you can't contact the opponent's bridge.

So after the 7th section he teaches 5 five "attacking methods" (Lat Sau) to teach the student to move in on the opponent and attack the opponent while bridging.

In the EWTO we didn't learn like that, but for the 9th student grade (that means after completing the first section CS) we learned 12 so called attacking methods, some were the same as in Leung Ting's five, others were not.

Anyhow, it is very basic stuff which I am.sure any other Wing Chun lineage teaches as well.

 

[wckf92]

You have to understand the context...

Leung Ting teaches 7 sections of Chi Sao (basically choreographies of movements from SNT and CK), followed by four sections consisting of moves from the third form, etc.

But this is all chi sao, and as Leung Ting puts it himself, all the cs skill in the world does no good if you can't contact the opponent's bridge.

So after the 7th section he teaches 5 five "attacking methods" (Lat Sau) to teach the student to move in on the opponent and attack the opponent while bridging.

In the EWTO we didn't learn like that, but for the 9th student grade (that means after completing the first section CS) we learned 12 so called attacking methods, some were the same as in Leung Ting's five, others were not.

Anyhow, it is very basic stuff which I am.sure any other Wing Chun lineage teaches as well.

Understood. Thx for explaining!

 

[jlq]

You are most welcome.

 

[yak sao]

Here is Leung Ting teaching the Lat Sao.

 

[wckf92]

Here is Leung Ting teaching the Lat Sao.

Hmmnnm... thx for posting. Looks like just simple entry type drilling with 1) pak, 2) tan, 3) jut or lop, 4) double lop/jut, 5) couldn't really make out what LT was trying to teach on the last one...

 

[yak sao]

Hmmnnm... thx for posting. Looks like just simple entry type drilling with 1) pak, 2) tan, 3) jut or lop, 4) double lop/jut, 5) couldn't really make out what LT was trying to teach on the last one...

He calls it the hacking punch. The arms basically crash the opponent's bridge.
The LT footwork strives for 100% weight on the back leg, using the front foot to pull you forward.
This particular technique uses what he calls "front foot becomes the rear foot".
You are falling off line then all the weight goes to the front leg, the body turns with the hacking punches making the front leg the rear leg. What was the back leg is now gripping the ground to anchor you from falling, but there is still no weight on it....you probably have that step in your CK form after the last kick.

 

[wckf92]

He calls it the hacking punch. The arms basically crash the opponent's bridge.
The LT footwork strives for 100% weight on the back leg, using the front foot to pull you forward.
This particular technique uses what he calls "front foot becomes the rear foot".
You are falling off line then all the weight goes to the front leg, the body turns with the hacking punches making the front leg the rear leg. What was the back leg is now gripping the ground to anchor you from falling, but there is still no weight on it....you probably have that step in your CK form after the last kick.

Excellent. Thx for the detailed response Bro.

 

[KPM]

Here is Leung Ting teaching the Lat Sao.

Ah! Augustine Fong taught (teaches?) something very similar that he calls the "5 slow attacks" or sometimes "Man Sau attacks."

 

[wckf92]

Ah! Augustine Fong taught (teaches?) something very similar that he calls the "5 slow attacks" or sometimes "Man Sau attacks."

Hmm..wonder just how similar they are? Any chance you could post a link or video of them?

 

[KPM]

Hmm..wonder just how similar they are? Any chance you could post a link or video of them?

We're in luck! Did a search and youtube and found that Sifu Brian Tufts has several vids covering the topic!