jobo
Grandmaster
all corners are zero point sizePerhaps corners are larger in the UK?
As if anyone cares about the UK's opinion on anything.....
you spent several posts telling me what the uk opinion of MMA was, so clearly you do
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all corners are zero point sizePerhaps corners are larger in the UK?
As if anyone cares about the UK's opinion on anything.....
how have you decided its a martial art ?I have to ask, what is the self defense/fighting benefit of learning a martial art like this;
I can understand the cultural and educational benefits. However, what are the self defense/fighting benefits?
how have you decided its a martial art ?
that not what i asked, i asked how have you come to the conclusion thats what is shown is a martial art ?
that not what i asked, i asked how have you come to the conclusion thats what is shown is a martial art ?
its fairly simple question
you said it was a ma shown, im asking how you know thatNot really. Are you asking what we’re seeing in the video is the martial art, or just some sort of presentation?
The video is a two person kata. It’s fairly common in Japanese martial arts. Even Judo has some.
you said it was a ma shown, im asking how you know that
i really shouldnt have to ask the same simple question three times
the wiki page you linked doesnt say its a ma, so how do you know it is?Uh Tenshin Shinyo Ryu is a martial art and it is being shown in that video.
the wiki page you linked doesnt say its a ma, so how do you know it is?
ive read what you posted as an authoritative article and it doesnt mention the term ma at all.You obviously didn’t read the page very well. It says it is an ancestor art to both Judo and Aikido. Also you can follow the “jujutsu” link in the wiki article to read what exactly what Jujutsu is.
dont deflectI find it incredible that a person from the U.K. has trouble reading English, and doesn’t understand how encyclopedias work.
dont deflect
you said it was a ma, and it seems you now dont know why you think it a ma.
i mean it doesnt even look like a ma, so ive no idea how you formed that opinion
I'll save Chris the bother of pointing out that this isn't actually Japanese Jujutsu. (Except in the same sense that BJJ is in that it is a lineal descendant of Japanese arts.)
I mean we all know these are not workable techniques in this form. But they are not ment to be. They are not judged on their workability.
There is a reason the uke just falls over during these demonstrations.
That might be a reasonable statement regarding an actual traditional JJJ which is focused on preservation of certain historical martial and cultural traditions. I don't think it applies to this particular school, which states on their website "most martial arts you find these days are mainly for sport, they’re for competitions and such, but in Kinjite, we teach Self-Defence, helping you become more aware of danger and how to defend your self on the streets." Their stated intent is to develop actual fighting skill - they just aren't (as far as their videos seem to indicate) very good at it.If that same wrestler goes in to a JJJ school. Nobody would care. Because winning fights or being good at this physical expression of martial arts isn't the point of what they are doing.
They are trying to be good at Japanese Jujitsu. Which has its own measure of standard.
now youve posted two things that disagree with each otherIn the wiki article, this is the first sentence;
Tenjin Shinyo-ryu (天神真楊流, Tenjin Shin'yō-ryū), meaning "Divine True Willow School", can be classified as a traditional school (koryū) of jujutsu.
Jujutsu should be highlighted, that means you can click it to go to another article. This is called a hyperlink. When you go to the article on Jujutsu it says this in the first sentence;
Jujutsu (English: /dʒuːˈdʒʊtsuː/ joo-JOOT-soo; Japanese: 柔術 jūjutsu listen (help·info), is a family of Japanese martial arts and a system of close combat (unarmed or with a minor weapon) that can be used in a defensive or offensive manner to kill or subdue one or more weaponless or armed and armored opponents.
If you still don’t get it after this explanation, I can’t help you. I would just recommend to stop taking blows to your head during Karate class.
There is definitely valid martial material (both concepts and techniques) encoded in that highly stylized and formalized presentation. The real world application would obviously look significantly different.I have to ask, what is the self defense/fighting benefit of learning a martial art like this;
I can understand the cultural and educational benefits. However, what are the self defense/fighting benefits?
There is definitely valid martial material (both concepts and techniques) encoded in that highly stylized and formalized presentation. The real world application would obviously look significantly different.
The presenters demonstrated actual skill in the presentation of that encoded material. I don't know whether they can actually fight - that depends on what sort of training they have done besides that stylized, formalized demonstration format. However if you gave me a practitioner who could demonstrate that level of movement skill but didn't know how to fight then I could teach them how to fight effectively much more quickly than I could a typical untrained beginner. (Conversely if an instructor in that school was willing to share their knowledge with me, I bet I could pull out something of value which I could use to improve my game. I've found that lots of schools have lost essential elements of fighting training but still retain some valuable gems which can be applied effectively by someone who does understand how to fight.)
I assume you mean any outside source, whether another martial art or real life fighting experience.This seems more like a potential of fighting ability from someone who already knows how to fight from an outside source. What about someone whose only exposure to martial arts is something like this (a kata-based MA system)? Could they be a competent fighter or defend themselves in a competent manner?