HighKick
Master Black Belt
That water reduces the need for a stable base. It makes it harder to stay stable because it will 'push' on you more compared to standing on the ground surrounded by air.What specifically are you disagreeing with?
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That water reduces the need for a stable base. It makes it harder to stay stable because it will 'push' on you more compared to standing on the ground surrounded by air.What specifically are you disagreeing with?
Again, if you want to see a dance of balance watch a bunch of people trying to wade in marginally rough surf. You'll see people who can't avoid being knocked over onto their butts to very stable, balanced people who seem like they are Godzilla entering Tokyo Bay, and they often got that balance by doing that a lot.
It may reduce your body's need for muscles to stabilize in a given direction, but at the same time it may be pulling you in All other directions. This also causes an 'over-reaction of muscle control. If you understand PID loops, this is the classic overshoot.Not understanding the comparisons.
The "dance of balance" in water differs from balance on land. Water reduces weight-bearing, alters proprioception, and forces reactive adjustments to external forces rather than improving self-generated stability..
The best ways to train balance focus on engaging the body's natural ability to respond to gravity, weight shifts, and ground contact. Water supports the body, reducing the need for muscles to stabilize against gravity.
If you understand PID loops, this is the classic overshoot.
I agree. When I agreed with windwalker that water reduces the need for a stable base I was thinking of deep enough water where if you lose footing you can just float upright rather than fall over like on land.That water reduces the need for a stable base. It makes it harder to stay stable because it will 'push' on you more compared to standing on the ground surrounded by air.
Not exactly sure what you mean by 'float upright' but Maybe you could more easily keep your head above the surface in salt water? But trying to kick, punch, block while floating in the Ocean for an extended period would be brutal. It would pull you all over while not having enough friction from gravity to have any kind of base.I agree. When I agreed with windwalker that water reduces the need for a stable base I was thinking of deep enough water where if you lose footing you can just float upright rather than fall over like on land.
"Best ways"? According to whom, Tai Chi immortals?Not understanding the comparisons.
The "dance of balance" in water differs from balance on land. Water reduces weight-bearing, alters proprioception, and forces reactive adjustments to external forces rather than improving self-generated stability..
The best ways to train balance focus on engaging the body's natural ability to respond to gravity, weight shifts, and ground contact. Water supports the body, reducing the need for muscles to stabilize against gravity.
This is pseudoscience wrapped in jargon.I do
Water dampens the effects of balance errors:
Proportional control is weakened → Reduced immediate feedback from weight shifts.
Integral control is disrupted → The brain does not accumulate land-based balance corrections properly.
Derivative control is altered → The slowing effect of water changes the rate of error detection, leading to incorrect anticip
If you understand 重心 (zhòngxīn, center of gravity)
How to develop and use it...
It might help in understanding why water training would not be useful in training or
developing it.
I feel like we are being sucked into yet another situation where someone claiming ancient kung fu knowledge is having a hard time sticking to basic physics.Not exactly sure what you mean by 'float upright' but Maybe you could more easily keep your head above the surface in salt water? But trying to kick, punch, block while floating in the Ocean for an extended period would be brutal. It would pull you all over while not having enough friction from gravity to have any kind of base.
Not claiming any "ancient kung fu knowledge", just applying common sense and extensive physics background, not to mention a long martial arts career.I feel like we are being sucked into yet another situation where someone claiming ancient kung fu knowledge is having a hard time sticking to basic physics.
More balance and strength come from swinging at air and standing on one leg. The same guys who get leveled by basic single and double leg takedowns because they don't train with actual resistance (the kind water is well known for providing.
Watch any competitive swimming, surfing, hell even water polo. All these people have better balance.
That first statement was supposed to be sarcastic. Like a mocking tone. I was lambasting concept that the best way to train against gravity is the typical Tai Chi movement, sans weight, water, or opponent.Now, to this comment: "More balance and strength come from swinging at air and standing on one leg." What the heck are you talking about??? I agree with your follow-up regarding water resistance, but what does that have to do with the first statement?
Just that in chest high or deeper water if your feet don't have purchase you can just tread water/float to stay upright without fighting gravityNot exactly sure what you mean by 'float upright' but Maybe you could more easily keep your head above the surface in salt water? But trying to kick, punch, block while floating in the Ocean for an extended period would be brutal. It would pull you all over while not having enough friction from gravity to have any kind of base.
Again, a little easier in salt water but treading water is it's own form of exercise. I am an avid diver and have done my share.Just that in chest high or deeper water if your feet don't have purchase you can just tread water/float to stay upright without fighting gravity