Why Wouldn't A Good Athlete Be Good In The Martial Arts

[HighKick]

What specifically are you disagreeing with?

That water reduces the need for a stable base. It makes it harder to stay stable because it will 'push' on you more compared to standing on the ground surrounded by air.

 

[windwalker099]

Again, if you want to see a dance of balance watch a bunch of people trying to wade in marginally rough surf. You'll see people who can't avoid being knocked over onto their butts to very stable, balanced people who seem like they are Godzilla entering Tokyo Bay, and they often got that balance by doing that a lot.

Not understanding the comparisons.

The "dance of balance" in water differs from balance on land. Water reduces weight-bearing, alters proprioception, and forces reactive adjustments to external forces rather than improving self-generated stability..

The best ways to train balance focus on engaging the body's natural ability to respond to gravity, weight shifts, and ground contact. Water supports the body, reducing the need for muscles to stabilize against gravity.

 

[HighKick]

Not understanding the comparisons.

The "dance of balance" in water differs from balance on land. Water reduces weight-bearing, alters proprioception, and forces reactive adjustments to external forces rather than improving self-generated stability..

The best ways to train balance focus on engaging the body's natural ability to respond to gravity, weight shifts, and ground contact. Water supports the body, reducing the need for muscles to stabilize against gravity.

It may reduce your body's need for muscles to stabilize in a given direction, but at the same time it may be pulling you in All other directions. This also causes an 'over-reaction of muscle control. If you understand PID loops, this is the classic overshoot.

 

[windwalker099]

If you understand PID loops, this is the classic overshoot.

I do

Water dampens the effects of balance errors:

Proportional control is weakened → Reduced immediate feedback from weight shifts.
Integral control is disrupted → The brain does not accumulate land-based balance corrections properly.
Derivative control is altered → The slowing effect of water changes the rate of error detection, leading to incorrect anticipatory responses on land.

If you understand 重心 (zhòngxīn, center of gravity)
How to develop and use it...
It might help in understanding why water training would not be useful in training or
developing it.

Do what works best for your practice, if water is your thing,
go for it...


Not really useful in my own work.

 

[Badhabits]

That water reduces the need for a stable base. It makes it harder to stay stable because it will 'push' on you more compared to standing on the ground surrounded by air.

I agree. When I agreed with windwalker that water reduces the need for a stable base I was thinking of deep enough water where if you lose footing you can just float upright rather than fall over like on land.

 

[HighKick]

I agree. When I agreed with windwalker that water reduces the need for a stable base I was thinking of deep enough water where if you lose footing you can just float upright rather than fall over like on land.

Not exactly sure what you mean by 'float upright' but Maybe you could more easily keep your head above the surface in salt water? But trying to kick, punch, block while floating in the Ocean for an extended period would be brutal. It would pull you all over while not having enough friction from gravity to have any kind of base.