Old Fat Kenpoka
Master Black Belt
John: Do you have any links to videos of AKKI Form 1, 2, and/or 3? I am really curious as to how Mr. Mills combined the long and short forms as I think this is a great idea.
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That's great and it is notable/commendable...but really it's not so "Kenpo-specific". It benefits the martial arts over-all, and for that Mr. Trejo should be applauded. I'm sure it was no small undertaking. But in the end, it's still just one tournament, and I don't see any tournament or all tournaments having THAT great an impact on the future of Kenpo. Also...it does the greatest good for the martial artists of Southern California. Things that some of the others are doing (as well I'm sure as whatever other endevours Mr. Trejo has/is undertaking) reaches further beyond state boarders or over more subjects than just competition.Originally posted by Old Fat Kenpoka
What? No votes for Frank Trejo so far? Didn't he revive the IKC's? Isn't that one of the single largest Kenpo (and Karate) events of the year? Doesn't that count for something?
Sorry man. No can do.Originally posted by Old Fat Kenpoka
John: Do you have any links to videos of AKKI Form 1, 2, and/or 3? I am really curious as to how Mr. Mills combined the long and short forms as I think this is a great idea.
Originally posted by Old Fat Kenpoka
John: Do you have any links to videos of AKKI Form 1, 2, and/or 3? I am really curious as to how Mr. Mills combined the long and short forms as I think this is a great idea.
Originally posted by rmcrobertson
Um...ah...OK, I looked.
I don't see anything new,
Could you maybe tell me what you think is so different from regular kenpoi (whatever that is)? I just don't get it yet...
Thanks.
Robert,Originally posted by rmcrobertson
Um...ah...OK, I looked.
I don't see anything new, though I do see some unfamiliar terminology.
For example, the thing on the first page, "Structure Governs Function." This look like just an inversion of Henry Louis Sullivan's, "Form Follows Function." And don't the forms teach this anyway?
Glancing down the list on the next page, I also see nearly everything that's familiar. Examples include, "centerline," centerline control," and all the analogies...I mean, I compare Star Block to the way the shields look like ovals around the Enterprise, but that harldy makes me an innovator...
I'd also argue that, "evolution," is a very tricky concept in martial arts. For one thing, as much as I go with historical and cultural change, there is something that's timeless about martial arts.
For another--just to wax theoretical for a moment--the production of something different, or of many different things, is not in and of itself, "evolutionary." It's just different, until questions of environment start to kick in...
Could you maybe tell me what you think is so different from regular kenpoi (whatever that is)? I just don't get it yet...
Thanks.
Being fast and fluttering your arms as if you were fast are not the same thing. The speed we are impressed with is the very first move. If you don't accept that deleteing certain behaviors is going to change your art for the better or worse that is just where your head is at. I gave an example of one change we have made. I'm not attempting to teach you what paul Mills does. I will assert he is training his students to be faster and to be effective against a person whom is fast. This involves paying attention to how close you are to your opponent and not training against step through puches, but punch step throughs. They are faster than step through punches and for that reason adjustments in your art must be made. These little adjustments will mean nothing to you I'm sure. As your biting sarcasm shows, you are not wowed. I'm sure you never plan to meet someone faster just as you never plan to end up on the ground, but you know us, were all paranoid.Originally posted by rmcrobertson
You NEVER put your feet together? Wow.
Change, or addition and subtraction, are not in and of themselves evolutionary or even revolutionary. They're just changes.
I also wonder why it is that the very folks who are asserting all the evolution don't seem to explain what the evolution is.
As for the fast draw stuff, OK, I guess. But how would this affect the commonest criticism of kenpo--that it's a slap art, whose practitioners move way too darn fast for effectiveness?
Ever try to be nice to people Robert?Originally posted by rmcrobertson
You NEVER put your feet together? Wow.
Change, or addition and subtraction, are not in and of themselves evolutionary or even revolutionary. They're just changes.
I also wonder why it is that the very folks who are asserting all the evolution don't seem to explain what the evolution is.
As for the fast draw stuff, OK, I guess. But how would this affect the commonest criticism of kenpo--that it's a slap art, whose practitioners move way too darn fast for effectiveness?
Originally posted by Brother John
Ever try to be nice to people Robert?
I don't recall this thread being about "What do you not like about certain masters or systems/associations?" Nor do I recall reading any reply asking for your opinion of the AKKI's claims of innovation and progress...which you barely know anything but biased secondhand opinion about...but feel that you can make a judgement on anyway.
Don't judge what you don't know. Don't be snide/condescending and rude...then ask us to explain ourselves further.
Makes no sense.
Your Brother
John
Change, or addition and subtraction, are not in and of themselves evolutionary or even revolutionary. They're just changes.
I also wonder why it is that the very folks who are asserting all the evolution don't seem to explain what the evolution is.
As for the fast draw stuff, OK, I guess. But how would this affect the commonest criticism of kenpo--that it's a slap art, whose practitioners move way too darn fast for effectiveness?
Originally posted by rmcrobertson
Change, or addition and subtraction, are not in and of themselves evolutionary or even revolutionary. They're just changes.
Originally posted by rmcrobertson
I also wonder why it is that the very folks who are asserting all the evolution don't seem to explain what the evolution is.
But how would this affect the commonest criticism of kenpo--that it's a slap art, whose practitioners move way too darn fast for effectiveness?
Originally posted by Touch'O'Death
This involves paying attention to how close you are to your opponent and not training against step through puches, but punch step throughs.
They are faster than step through punches and for that reason adjustments in your art must be made.
Originally posted by Brother John
Don't judge what you don't know.
Your Brother
John
My instructor and I don't train under Mr. Mills either. As For you second point. Did you ever hear Mr. Parker tell the story about getting stabbed with a six inch blade as opposed to a twelve? I never said step through punches weren't more powerfull; however, a punch step through will be faster and Knock your *** out all the same. And Step through punches will only be found and taught in a karate studio.Originally posted by jeffkyle
I have been doing those for years. And I have never trained under Mr. Mills. If what you are talking about and what I am thinking about are the same things...
Yes they are faster than step through punches, yet i have not found them to be as powerful. Once again if what you are talking about and what I am thinking about are indeed the same actions.
Originally posted by Touch'O'Death
And Step through punches will only be found and taught in a karate studio.