What’s a good martial art to blend with Taekwondo?

[Brandon Miller]

Seems legit. The head instructor gave off a few red flags, but then you scroll down and hes surrounded by some very experienced folks. I would definitely check it out and see if you enjoy the instruction being offered.

I think I will thank you. I curious to know what karate system they have belted ranks in for students. It looks like a blend of tkd and karate with boxing involved

 

[Tony Dismukes]

I think I will thank you. I curious to know what karate system they have belted ranks in for students. It looks like a blend of tkd and karate with boxing involved

Mr. Poole says he got his karate black belt from Ray McCallum, Billye Jackson, and Tim Kirby. I know they were well-respected competitors in both point fighting and kickboxing. I'm not sure what style of karate they professed - probably some form of American karate. @Buka probably knows more about them.

 

[Brandon Miller]

Mr. Poole says he got his karate black belt from Ray McCallum, Billye Jackson, and Tim Kirby. I know they were well-respected competitors in both point fighting and kickboxing. I'm not sure what style of karate they professed - probably some form of American karate. @Buka probably knows more about them.

Thank you

 

[DaveB]

You don't need to be a ground specialist to take someone down. A buff kid watching youtube vids on takedowns is more than enough to dunk even a trained person on their head. We're not even considering the large number of people who wrestled, played American Football, or Rugby in their younger days.

That's true, and as I said, most arts have some level of defence against takedown as well as at least some ideas of how to fight on the ground. Their ideas may be wrong when contrasted with ground specialists, but they have them.

It's an area that should have been modernised a long time ago across all stand-up MA. I think wrestling should be the basis of that modernisation.

 

[Buka]

Mr. Poole says he got his karate black belt from Ray McCallum, Billye Jackson, and Tim Kirby. I know they were well-respected competitors in both point fighting and kickboxing. I'm not sure what style of karate they professed - probably some form of American karate. @Buka probably knows more about them.

I remember those three guys. Serious fighters, all from Texas if I remember correctly. Texas fighters back in the day were beasts, all of them. Even the gals, I was a team mate of Linda Denley back in the eighties. Such a great person. And consider this as an athlete - She was still in high school, when she qualified for the Olympics in five track and field events, but because of her professional winnings on the karate circuit, she was ineligible to compete in the Olympics.

I'm pretty sure all those guys mentioned came from the same lineage - Jhoon Rhee, [Texas in the fifties] down through Allen Steen, then down through Pat Burleson. I know Ray came from them, I remember Ray well. He was a wild man with exceptional technique, both in sport karate and in kick boxing. Here's a nice piece on it all.

A Martial History » American Karate Black Belt Association

I also remember Billye Jackson fighting Benny the Jet in kick boxing back when they were both undefeated. Jackson won, no easy feat to beat the Jet back then. I remember Tim Kirby being both a great fighter and a great Kata man.

 

[geezer]

There is a whole bunch of stuff that makes chun just really bad for takedowns. Like the forward pressure concepts.

Hey Drop, please elaborate a bit on how you see that "forward pressure" concept as a liability in Wing Chun. I find that forward pressure ...at least as I understand it, to be helpful. I use forward pressure even when doing a sprawl. Maybe I'm using the term differently?

 

[Brandon Miller]

I remember those three guys. Serious fighters, all from Texas if I remember correctly. Texas fighters back in the day were beasts, all of them. Even the gals, I was a team mate of Linda Denley back in the eighties. Such a great person. And consider this as an athlete - She was still in high school, when she qualified for the Olympics in five track and field events, but because of her professional winnings on the karate circuit, she was ineligible to compete in the Olympics.

I'm pretty sure all those guys mentioned came from the same lineage - Jhoon Rhee, [Texas in the fifties] down through Allen Steen, then down through Pat Burleson. I know Ray came from them, I remember Ray well. He was a wild man with exceptional technique, both in sport karate and in kick boxing. Here's a nice piece on it all.

A Martial History » American Karate Black Belt Association

I also remember Billye Jackson fighting Benny the Jet in kick boxing back when they were both undefeated. Jackson won, no easy feat to beat the Jet back then. I remember Tim Kirby being both a great fighter and a great Kata man.

Sounds like it’s an American karate school with a muy Thai and bjj program

 

[drop bear]

Hey Drop, please elaborate a bit on how you see that "forward pressure" concept as a liability in Wing Chun. I find that forward pressure ...at least as I understand it, to be helpful. I use forward pressure even when doing a sprawl. Maybe I'm using the term differently?

Forward pressure as in that staying in the pocket for too long.

So you might throw five shots in to their guard to get the fifth one through.

But that opens you up to takedowns.

 

[Brandon Miller]

I remember those three guys. Serious fighters, all from Texas if I remember correctly. Texas fighters back in the day were beasts, all of them. Even the gals, I was a team mate of Linda Denley back in the eighties. Such a great person. And consider this as an athlete - She was still in high school, when she qualified for the Olympics in five track and field events, but because of her professional winnings on the karate circuit, she was ineligible to compete in the Olympics.

I'm pretty sure all those guys mentioned came from the same lineage - Jhoon Rhee, [Texas in the fifties] down through Allen Steen, then down through Pat Burleson. I know Ray came from them, I remember Ray well. He was a wild man with exceptional technique, both in sport karate and in kick boxing. Here's a nice piece on it all.

A Martial History » American Karate Black Belt Association

I also remember Billye Jackson fighting Benny the Jet in kick boxing back when they were both undefeated. Jackson won, no easy feat to beat the Jet back then. I remember Tim Kirby being both a great fighter and a great Kata man.

Who is Ray? There is a school in the Dallas area called Rays American Karate

 

[geezer]

Forward pressure as in that staying in the pocket for too long.

So you might throw five shots in to their guard to get the fifth one through.

But that opens you up to takedowns.

For a long time I've felt that a big vulnerabiliy in pure Wing Chun is that we keep on punching as we close into a grappler's take-down range. On the other hand that worked OK for me in sparring my WC buddies ...since I was the guy who would drop under their punches to shoot in.

My old WC sifu felt that ground-fighting was low-class.You know, maybe a Southern Chinese cultural thing kinda analogous to my old (now deceased) WWII vet uncle who felt that kicks, like low blows,were cheap shots? To this day I wonder if dirty streets in 19th Century Fo'shan didn't color WC. Maybe if the streets were covered with filth, "proper" fights didn't go to the ground? Whatever the reason, the lack of attention to grappling attacks remains a problem.

 

[DaveB]

Forward pressure as in that staying in the pocket for too long.

So you might throw five shots in to their guard to get the fifth one through.

But that opens you up to takedowns.

This may well be a flaw in wc strategy, but I have seen a few wc people that don't work in that way, who feel that sudden and well timed entry is the correct method and that evasive footwork is key to wc usage.

I think Chun at some point became over focused on beating other kung fu from the same region and fixated on chi-sau as the way to do this, to the exclusion of basic self defence and fighting skills like distance management. I think that kind of thing got kicked into the weapons work, which interestingly contains much more mobile footwork.