I remember when I first heard that statement. I remember like it was yesterday. I don't know the date, other than the early nineties, but I remember when I fist heard it, where I was standing on my dojo, which gi I had on and how fricken ticked off I was. But I swear to God I don't think it was Vunak who said it. Or at least that's not what I was told. But....it was hearsay to me, so I don't know. I just never associated it with Vunak. Or at least that's how I remember it.