What is your plan for re-opening?

CB Jones said:
Well if the Casinos can open......I think we will be OK in a small karate class of 10-12 people.
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Casinos being open is downright stupid. Is that the gauge by which you determine your own actions?

And to be clear, you are not describing a class of 10-12 adults in a basketball court where they can had space between them. You are describing a class for youth, which intends to include sparring. So, close physical contact. Heavy breathing at and on each other. Which typically includes some amount of airborne saliva.
 
Flying Crane said:
Casinos being open is downright stupid. Is that the gauge by which you determine your own actions?

And to be clear, you are not describing a class of 10-12 adults in a basketball court where they can had space between them. You are describing a class for youth, which intends to include sparring. So, close physical contact. Heavy breathing at and on each other. Which typically includes some amount of airborne saliva.
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Well it was a joke...made tongue in cheek.

We will be alright.
 
CB Jones said:
Well we can agree to disagree. ;)

Most things have opened back up around us. And everything looks like it doesn't affect teenagers that much.

And from all the cases I have seen it doesn't look that bad for regular people that don't have underlying conditions or who aren't elderly.

Daily briefings indicate we are in pretty good shape and we returned back to work last week.
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You have to make your decisions for yourself. I'd just like to point out that otherwise healthy, under-40 people are dying rather suddenly in some cases. This is a virus that hasn't yet shown a "typical" face - it seems to have several different ways it affects people, and not always based on recognizable underlying problems.
 
CB Jones said:
From what I hear, we are in a lull that will go through the summer and then the 2nd wave will come in the fall.

For example, currently at the Covid 19 shelter I work at we have 2 patients.
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The models I saw that showed that lull were predicated on general lockdown lasting until June. 4 weeks later, there would be a small rise (about how long it seems to take for spread to become evident). That would magnify over the next 60 days, taking us to the beginning of fall. The second wave isn't on summer break, it just takes a while to manifest when things re-open. The sooner people get together, the sooner that second wave comes (and the larger it's likelly to be, according to the models).
 
skribs said:
If your government is going to re-open all at once, are you going to re-open as soon as you are able, or wait for some of the craziness to subside?

If your government is phasing the re-opening, are you going to open at the earliest phase you can and comply with restrictions, or are you going to wait until you can fully re-open?

I live in a phased area. We're hoping to open the earliest we can. However, we may have to have some restrictions we otherwise wouldn't:
  • Limit of class to 15 students (down from a maximum I've seen of almost 50)
  • No parents watching class (to create more room for next class to assemble and for social distancing)
  • No holding pads
  • No sparring
  • No self-defense drills with partner
It seems very limiting, but honestly a lot of these are the issues we've had to deal with doing classes online. What are your plans to re-open your school?
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I was in the process of opening a Martial Arts school but now I'm just going to continue to work some stuff online and figure out what's the best way to offer online and in person training (once there's a vaccine). I'm not in a rush to open up a physical location with the way things are now. For me it's not worth the risk. Like the worst that can happen isn't a black eye, it's death, and it's not just my death but it could mean death to members of my family. I'm used to the worst case scenario being. I get sued and I loose my business or I loose my business because I have no students. BJJ and grappling students are going to have a really difficult time staying afloat. Any martial art or striking system should be able to transition into an online interactive format. Hell, if Peloton can have indoor online cycling classes then it should be possible to do kung fu and other martial arts online as well.

I think the biggest mistake that people are making in terms are opening up is to ask. Simple business questions.
1. If I open up will people come or will they be too concern about the virus to risk it.
2. If I open up will I make enough money to cover costs?
3. Will I generate more costs by opening than the money that I make. At this point it's financially better to just stay close then to generate more cost by being open than you would by being closed.

The world that we used to know pre-Covid -19 has changed forever. Nothing is ever going back to the way it was even after a vaccine. I could be wrong, but if I remember correctly, the reason Americans like their personal space, is because of how much the Spanish flue of 1918 changed things. Things like blowing out candles on a birthday can and then eating the cake that someone just blew on will probably be a thing of the past now, even with a vaccine. There will be other changes as well. More stores and shops will probably implement delivery or shipping. And now small businesses probably see the value of why they need a website that can accept payment and handle orders and subscriptions.

If your martial arts school already has an online class capability then you are probably still in good shape. You may have to drop the price a little but that's fine considering any overhead cost that you may have for a physical loation.

But for me. I'm looking into how to present the best online classes in a way that makes people want to tune in. I'm also hoping to get a better location as businesses close and prices for business space drops significantly. If I time it correctly I may be able to get good deal right before everything gets better. I just need to make sure I can cover a year or two. The worst case scenario of that is that I'll have a good training location to video in, that doesn't look like my garage or my drive way.
 
CB Jones said:
From what I hear, we are in a lull that will go through the summer and then the 2nd wave will come in the fall.

For example, currently at the Covid 19 shelter I work at we have 2 patients.
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Well that's a load of bs for a start because no one knows what's going to happen
 
CB Jones said:
Well we can agree to disagree. ;)

Most things have opened back up around us. And everything looks like it doesn't affect teenagers that much.

And from all the cases I have seen it doesn't look that bad for regular people that don't have underlying conditions or who aren't elderly.

Daily briefings indicate we are in pretty good shape and we returned back to work last week.
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As has been said. Yeah it probably doesn't affect teenagers much. But they pass it on to other people who can get sick. Most things opening up. Well yes fair enough things like shops yes they do need to open eventually but martial art schools are extremely un essential and have the greatest risk for other people...especially if they're being ignorant and not taking precautions.

As I said hope the instructor is ready for the potential lawsuit
 
CB Jones said:
Well it was a joke...made tongue in cheek.

We will be alright.
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You'll be alright?

Huh wonder many people said that before stupidly going on their holidays.

Fact is you don't know if you'll be alright. Or if your kid will be alright or any of the people he's training with will be alright. No one knows. Right now even stepping outside to go to the shop is a 50/50 gamble
 
Headhunter said:
You'll be alright?

Huh wonder many people said that before stupidly going on their holidays.

Fact is you don't know if you'll be alright. Or if your kid will be alright or any of the people he's training with will be alright. No one knows. Right now even stepping outside to go to the shop is a 50/50 gamble
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It is astounding how many people are living in rampant fear. It is as if some of you crave it. No one Knew if they were going to be 'alright' before the virus started. There is just so much we don't know that we don't know. Has always been and always will be.
It is everyone's responsibility to be as informed as possible and make their best decisions based on the information at hand. The key is having ALL the information which frankly is near impossible. Yes, that also means we should be as predictive as reasonably possible. So listening to only a few sources or examples for information is unwise, whichever side of the equation you lean toward. There is a Lot of fear mongering and political spin going on out there right now. And apparently a Lot of doctors/hospitals that are capitalizing off the term(s) "coronavirus/COVID 19". The data at hand regarding this virus is full of holes and inaccuracies at best. Only time will hopefully unravel the truth.
I commend @CB Jones for living life to the fullest and doing what he can to make sure his son and family do the same.
I am truly sorry that some parts of the nation are having a harder time.
 
I suppose to be in California today. Since I don't know what kind of risk that I have to take to stay in hotel for 2 night (1 night in El Paso, and another night in Phoenix), I decide to wait.

I have heard that Trump had open his hotel that require customers to bring their own towels. That doesn't sound very safe at all.

Until the medicine came out, it's always good to be careful. After all, we only live once. If we can't fight against it, we can always stay away from it.
 
gpseymour said:
You have to make your decisions for yourself. I'd just like to point out that otherwise healthy, under-40 people are dying rather suddenly in some cases. This is a virus that hasn't yet shown a "typical" face - it seems to have several different ways it affects people, and not always based on recognizable underlying problems.
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they are, the uk media makes a big thing of every one, but they do seem to be the smallest % of the deaths, very sad non the less, a family friend who works as a nurse has just been diagnosed with it, so far she has a sore throat, im hoping its stays like that.

with out actual data and that seems in very short supply, its very difficult to make an informed decision if our healthy 40 yo faces a death risk of extremely unlikely or astronomically unlikely
 
Kung Fu Wang said:
I suppose to be in California today. Since I don't know what kind of risk that I have to take to stay in hotel for 2 night (1 night in El Paso, and another night in Phoenix), I decide to wait.

I have heard that Trump had open his hotel that require customers to bring their own towels. That doesn't sound very safe at all.

Until the medicine came out, it's always good to be careful. After all, we only live once. If we can't fight against it, we can always stay away from it.
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I feel the same way about the risk.
 
Kung Fu Wang said:
I have heard that Trump had open his hotel that require customers to bring their own towels. That doesn't sound very safe at all.
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That's odd. Doing laundry with bleach is one of the few things that seems pretty effective ...and normal for a hotel. I'd certainly hope they are already sanitizing all their linens!
 
geezer said:
That's odd. Doing laundry with bleach is one of the few things that seems pretty effective ...and normal for a hotel. I'd certainly hope they are already sanitizing all their linens!
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I THINK ITS TO PROTECT THE STAFF FROM THE DIRTY TOWELS NOT THE CUSTOMERS FROM THE CLEAN ONES
 
jobo said:
I THINK ITS TO PROTECT THE STAFF FROM THE DIRTY TOWELS NOT THE CUSTOMERS FROM THE CLEAN ONES
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- restaurant is closed to protect the waiters,
- barbershop is closed to protect the barber,
- MA school is closed to protect the MA teacher,
- ...,

from the virus.
 
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