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Master of Blades
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Sorry did I say something funny Paul
Sorry did I say something funny Paul
cali_tkdbruin
Master of Arts
Young Jedi MOB, did you ever think that maybe she just said that so that you'd stop hittin' on her? Ya know, maybe she just wanted you to back off. Was she was thinking "down boy, down!"
Hang in there dude, we've all had our share of being shot down by the opposite sex...
:shrug:
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KatGurl
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Originally posted by jfarnsworth
Not me
I agree with Seig here. KatGurl you should be a little older before you get one. Not specificially because of anything you have done wrong but because of the rest of the world out there.
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KatGurl
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I know
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KatGurl
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Ok.
I was thinking the head of the organization in Corpus Christi and England.:rofl:
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kkbb
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OR you could just try "how about a cup of coffee?':rofl:Originally posted by PAUL
tarabos: lol
MOB: Dude, don't listen to anyone, cept' maybe KenpoTess and me! And Rich, what are u tellin' this Kid...listen and learn, both of ya!
The secret to getting any chick temporarily is by tricking the hell out of them. Period!
Now, understand that I didn't say lying, just tricking! You need honesty if you want anything to grow long term, but you need to break down that 1st few walls of ice. The best way to break this ice is through trickery, period.
Basically, women want to be comfortable. It is hard to open up, or be comfortable with a stranger. So, you must trick their subconscience into believing that they know you, then they get comfortable, and your so in there!
Example; average cycle: I am at the bar, and I see a cute girl across the room. It's 10pm, so I have only 2-4 hours depending on how long her or I stay to get the digits (which should be my only goal at 1st; I know some people who have goals like 'meaningful relationship' when they haven't even met officially the girl yet. You are gauranteed to either give her a panic attack, or get laughed at if you don't lighten the hell up and keep it simple at first!). I need to trick her into thinking that she knows me better then a stranger. So, without making it too obvious, I try to make eye contact. When contact is made, I smile and nod like I know her, then I turn to my friend and talk like I had been having a conversation or something. The smile and nod part is very important; be polite in your expression; if you turn away like you just got caught peeping through her window she'll get uncomfortable! Remember if you get uncomfortable or embarrased, how can you expect her to act anyway but uncomfortable and embarassed also?
So, after the first smile and nod, whenever your comfortable but not too soon, try to walk by her for whatever reason. Maybe you have to go to the rest room. Perhaps you have to order a drink. It doesn't really matter the reason, but sneak in another smile and nod thing. If she starts doing it back, you so in!
Keep this up for the rest of the night; eventually the smile and nods will turn into a greeting of some sort, such as a quick "hi." or "hey."
By about your 4th or 5th exchange if your getting positive responses it is because you have just tricked her subconscience into believing that she knows you better then a stranger. Why not!?!? She has had 4 or 5 exchanges with you! She must know you better then a stranger, right? Wrong....but don't tell her that!
When you start getting that positive response; that smile and nod back, or that quicky "hi," then don't hesitate. Find an opportunity where you are not rudely interupting a conversation of some sort, and go up to her and introduce yourself. Don't chicken-s**t with this; If you wait to long then the trick will wear off, and she will realize that you are just some weirdo who nods and says hi all the time, but who she doesn't really know.
Now, when you go up to her keep it honest. Doesn't matter what it is you say, so long as it isn't rude, and as long as it is honest. Don't say "you look familiar" if they don't look familiar, for instance. You'll be like every other dude who talks to her then, focusing on what they want instead of whats going on with her.
1st, introduce yourself, and ask for her name. Then, Say something honest, then follow it up with an open-ended question. A compliment w/ open ended question is often the easiest. If you think she is pretty beyond just T & A, which you should, find out why you think that way, then ask about it. "This may sound strange, but I like your style of dress. Where do you shop?" or "You have a nice smile, are you having a good time tonight?" Something like this should start a conversation.
Then, keep her in the conversation by talking as little as possible, and letting her talk as much as possible. Use these key words: What, When, Why, Where, Who, Tell Me, How, and Give. Try to eliminate words like Will, Have, did, do, are, could, would, is, can.
So, if she mentions someones pet for instance, don't ask "Do you like dogs." she says "yes" or "no" and then you stare at each other like morons. Say, " How do you feel about dogs." She has to give more then a one word answer. Or, for a more practical example: Not "Are you dating anyone?" rather "Tell me about the kind of people you date?" Get It!?!?!
The point is, the more she talks, and the less you talk, the more she thinks she knows you. Trickery at it's best!!
When the conversation ends, it is best to walk away without asking for anything (no ph# yet) if you know you'll see her before the end of the night. That 1st conversation, she'll be waiting for the "punch-line" anyways; she'll be expecting you to ask for 'something' so the gaurd may still be up. So, if you can get away with not asking for anything, then she'll start wondering about YOU and what YOU want and why you didn't ask her for SOMETHING, and that is what you want her to do! Try to have 2 conversations, maybe one big or one small, then on the third say, "I really liked talking with you tonight, and I would like us to talk more. How about if we exchange numbers, and I can call you later on in the week?"
If you made her feel comfortable and not like a stranger, then she is bound to say yes. This is trickery at it's finest because do you think she knows you better then after the 1st nod? Not really. But if you asked for her # after the 1st nod, she probably would not have felt comfortable enough to give it to you. You fool em' into letting them think they know you better then a stranger, and you can get almost anything you want (within their boundries of course).
Longer Time Cycle: If the woman you are persuing is in a place where you know you'll see her again, like a class or something, then take your time. Use the same tactic above, but stretch it over a longer duration. In other words your exchanging smiles, nods, and quicky "hellos" for the first few classes or even weeks before that 1st conversation. Then, have more conversations before getting their #, so they are REALLY comfortable, and practically begging you to ask them out! Just remember to strike while the oven is hot, and don't hesitate!
Very short time cycle: You met this girl on a train. I'll figure that you had maybe 10-15 minutes to 1/2 hour tops to get the digits. So, what to do?? still do what you would have done if you had 2-4 hours, cept' skip the whole smile and nod and hello 5 times before you talk with her stuff. You don't have time. Just jump right into your complement/question, and GET THEM TO TALK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. Then say, "I don't usually do this, but I really like talking with you, and If I don't ask you this I'll be kicking myself all the way home. Could we talk more sometime? Maybe we can exchange e-mail addresses or phone numbers? What do you think?"
Putty in your hands!
Now, keep in mind that your chances aren't as good as with longer cycles, but it is always worth a shot.
Things to remember:
#1. It is all a numbers game! Do you realize that if you went up to 100 decent looking women and said, "Hi, My name is Master of Blades. I was wondering if we could go find a quiet spot, so we can make out." at least 1 would say yes? Collectively, people are so ridiculus that no matter what you ask them to do, 1 out of 100 will say yes, and follow through. This is a true statistic. So, if you get told "no," that is just 1 more "no" before someone finally says "O.K." So Don't worry about a no!
#2 Don't ever be discourage by comments that are ment to "deflect" you. If someone says, "I have a boyfriend." Don't even flinch. Just start asking your questions and get them to talk: "Tell me about him?" "where did you two meet" "What do you like about him" When you two start dating?", Etc. etc. etc. You will find out about 1/2 the time that they aren't that serious and that they only say that they have a boyfriend as a "conditioned response" when really they are only sort of dating someone and are very willing to go out with you.
In the case of "I am going out with my girlfriend...." Dude you just hit the jack-pot! Many Lesbians aren't lesbians; they are Bisexual. Just trust me on this one. You should of fired back with your questions: "Cool, what are you two up to for tonight? Tell me about her? Where did you two meet? What does she look like? Wow, she sounds cool, just like you. I would love to meet her sometime. I was just going to go home, but I have always wanted to see that movie you guys planned on seeing tonight. Would you mind if I tagged along?" Well....you get the idea.
You just missed the jack-pot my friend. If you played your cards right, you could of had a date with 2 chicks. Don't laugh, I've done it before.
Disclaimer: keep your morals in mind ahead of time. For instance; if she says she is married and shows you a ring, you could continue the persuit, and you could get lucky. I would say that this might not be the most moral thing to have happend however. So, be careful with this one!
Paul
P.S. I am happily engaged now, and done playing the "persuit" game. So I bestow this valueable knowledge to MOB, Rich, and my other MartialTalk Bacholors. Now go, my minions! And Get many Hook Ups!!:ladysman:
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