You are playing the same scenario game as KPM. You want me to give you a play by play of how a fight is gonna go? VT doesn't work like that.
Funny how you can chose to apply a double standard when it suits you.
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You are playing the same scenario game as KPM. You want me to give you a play by play of how a fight is gonna go? VT doesn't work like that.
You are playing the same scenario game as KPM. You want me to give you a play by play of how a fight is gonna go? VT doesn't work like that.
No, but consistently pointing out others thoughts as being in error, or as things that you wouldn't do, while never enlightening anyone as to what you actually might do.... is a pretty one-sided discussion.
So if the situation was such you would use wc. Thanks, that is what my question was.Obviously a solid VT punch if he were seriously attacking me and sober enough not to just be dropped on the couch so I can leave the room.
Luckily I don't have any violent relatives, but I wouldn't mind cutting ties with an idiot like that.
If it's just drunk Uncle Ed being stupid I wouldn't use VT.
Again thank you for your answer.In a situation where I'm forced to go barehanded against a knife attack, I'd likely use things from different MAs and tactics designed specifically for that situation by people with experience.
What I wouldn't do is use VT or try to invent some modified VT on the spot. For what? To be able to claim VT has answers for everything and works unarmed against knife attacks?
That's not being realistic. That's being a True Believer, and more than likely a Dead Idiot for thinking you can "kung fu" a knife attacker.
Thanks again. No wasn't asking for a play by play and you did respond & answer in the about response about you doing some other MA.You are playing the same scenario game as KPM. You want me to give you a play by play of how a fight is gonna go? VT doesn't work like that.
A reason I asked was that the training I've had in wc there is quite a bit of bladed weapon training and defense. I find wc an excellent bladed weapon defensive art 'when' trained for it. (note: I would leave and highly recommend getting away as quickly as possible when confronted by a bladed weapon.) But then that is my advise in any physical confrontation, don't be there.
Don't get cut or stabbed. ESCAPE.What do you emphasise in terms of bladed weapon defense?
What would you recommend to those persons who don't train in other specifically designed MAs or have any experience in such to do in a situation as a knife attack?
A reason I asked was that the training I've had in wc there is quite a bit of bladed weapon training and defense. I find wc an excellent bladed weapon defensive art 'when' trained for it.
A non answer.Fortunately, most people will rarely be involved in a knife attack. So there is time to go learn realistic tactics from people with experience training for and dealing with that situation specifically, if that is one of your concerns.
But is an excellent edged weapon defensive art though not originally designed as such.We are knife fighters, when we have knives, and we learn evasive footwork and such that can carry over to empty hand where necessary, but honestly, VT was not designed for empty hand vs knife.
Agreed on the; ...there is nothing that will absolutely work.The reality is that there is nothing that will absolutely work. Some things are more functional than others, but given the incredible odds we'd be facing, I wouldn't want to rely on advice from a kung fu class above guys who train for that situation specifically and have tons of experience, like say, military.
A non answer.
Fortunately, most people will rarely be involved in fight at all.
But is an excellent edged weapon defensive art though not originally designed as such.
Be careful about training with military people. There are far more military trained personnel who have little to no edged weapon experience than that do.
Don't get cut or stabbed. ESCAPE.
Evade,
Stun,
Create distance,
Position,
Escape.
IF that isn't possible. Intercept, strike the core. Control the core through the attacking limb, attack the core then escape.
But is no help for the wc trained person who is right now in the situation as a knife attack? Why are you skipping around the question or deflecting. What is the person to do? May have to tell the attacker to return at a later date so he/she can have the time to get intelligent training from a good source. If you don't know how to use your wc training vs a blade it is ok. I can accept that. Many wc people are not experienced in using their wc in such a manner. If you have trained edge weapon defense other than wc and you feel you would use that rather than your wc that is all good. So are you meaning the wc person who has no other training and is presently being attacked has nothing within his/her training to be utilized for edged weapon defense?Giving you plenty of time to get some intelligent training from a good source.
You referenced wc I was responding to your reference.Which art?
I'd rather rely on the advice and tactics a country with a lot of experience teaches to people it sends into war, than any traditional kung fu class where they usually can't even get a realistic attack right.
Intercept the attack, while counter-attacking the core.You prefer to attack the body rather than the hand?
What is the person to do?
So are you meaning the wc person who has no other training and is presently being attacked has nothing within his/her training to be utilized for edged weapon defense?
You referenced wc I was responding to your reference.
Ok stay with me here…Maybe they do, maybe they don't. From what I've seen from most WC, they probably don't.
VT wasn't designed for empty hand vs knife.
Your WC was "originally designed for" that?
I'd like to see what you train, because when I look around at other WC knife defense, it's the typical unrealistic lunge and thrust while they kung fu them.
I am a long time Pekiti-Tirsia Kali practitioner as well as WC. Pekiti is an edged weapon system with close quarter knife defense and counter-attacking being the main emphasis of the system after learning, footwork, target striking with a stick and empty hands from the longer ranges working to close range and back out.
Would you say that wing chun is more or less useful than PTK as a knife defense method?