TSDTexan
Master of Arts
simultaneous discovery.My son trains Korean karate and they will grab and punch......so I offer that as proof koreans created grabbing and striking.
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simultaneous discovery.My son trains Korean karate and they will grab and punch......so I offer that as proof koreans created grabbing and striking.
The block and grab are always applied before the CMA long fist punch.My son trains Korean karate and they will grab and punch......so I offer that as proof koreans created grabbing and striking.
He alludes to something more in the op. I'm suggesting maybe it's time to get there.I think he's just reaching for a non-style-specific term, like we have with "grappling" and "striking". A way to refer in one word to arts and systems that do both.
I used to call them mixed martial arts, then some bozos stole that name.Hmm. Like, some sort of..hybrid..like..a mix of striking and grappling. A mix of martial arts that incorporates both...
What could we call it. Hmmmmmmmmmm.
NO IDEA!
I'm imagining Joe Rogan discussing the finer points of strappling.I'm actually a fan of strappling. Petition to make that the MartialTalk Approved (TM) word for any art sort of hybrid or mixed martial art/competition? I would just love to hear people talk about the importance of strappling in competition.
But we're just starting to get the hang of this part of the thread.He alludes to something more in the op. I'm suggesting maybe it's time to get there.
There is another discussion I want to have, but before I get to that discussion, I need some help with terminology. Or maybe opinions if there isn't an agreed-upon fact.
What do you call it when an art mixes striking and grappling techniques? Not like MMA, which typically will either strike in order to set up a take-down, or when stalemated in the grapple will throw some punches for points. But arts which use grappling to isolate your opponent's limbs and then attack from an advantaged position?
For example, using an arm lock to tie up one of your opponent's arms and keep the other arm pointed away from you, so that you can strike with your free arm unimpeded.
I've seen this kind of thing in the self defense portion of a more traditional Taekwondo class, and I've seen it in Kung Fu, Wing Chun and various Karate tutorials. I've seen the concept in Hapkido and Aikido (although usually a strike isn't thrown from there).
It kind of also applies to the Muay-Thai clinch, although that is a slightly different application than the others on my mind.
But back to my question - is there a name for this concept? We have "striking" and "grappling", but what about the concept of using one to break your opponent's structure, with which to allow you to use the other?
I can see that working.
But traps I think of as reactive (i.e. you think of a trap as having a trigger), and this could be proactive as well.
I think any art with striking and grappling, including MMA, uses one to set up the other and vice versa. So, call it whatever you want, really. Call it "Frank." .
What do you call it when an art mixes striking and grappling techniques?
Ameridote
When something you train earnestly bears an eerie resemblance to an extreme parody... Red flag...The sad thing is...a lot of what he does is accurate.
Take for example the Thrust of Freedom. It's a joke. Until you watch him teach a seminar and show some ways of using it: Thrust Right (or Thrust Left) combined with an arm grab is a great hip throw. He has a combination that starts with Thrust Back which is a body grab defense...and the entire combination looks eerily similar to something we do in my Taekwondo class.
When something you train earnestly bears an eerie resemblance to an extreme parody... Red flag...
I'm imagining Joe Rogan discussing the finer points of strappling.
Old Chinese saying said, "A bad punch is still better than a good Chin Na."How effective is chin na?
I thought he was already a master of that?Grappling + Striking = "strappling"? IPerhaps Rogan would prefer ..."griping"?
When something you train earnestly bears an eerie resemblance to an extreme parody... Red flag...