Weight training
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ya manc twat 
This is my favor 2 arms rotation training. It's very useful in wrestling.
The only thing that I can find in the modern gym that can help me to develop the 2 arms rotation is this.
The only thing that I can find in the modern gym that can help me to develop the 2 arms rotation is this.
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The 20 rep squat programme sorts out the boys from the men. Looks easy try it ..balls to walls
20 Rep Squat Program: Build Mass with Squats - Jacked Factory : Jacked Factory
20 Rep Squat Program: Build Mass with Squats - Jacked Factory : Jacked Factory
jobo
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if your doing 20 reps its to light , unless your expresly body building rather than strengh training, even then ....?
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try it. was used back in the days for mass building. some variations over the years but look up Tom Platz he had huge legs doing high reps.
On the other side of the coin you can make a weight heavy by training using "pre-Exhaust" supersets..etc.
SUPERSETS EXPLAINED - The Barbell
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Tom was Quadzilla ! But of course nothing is carved in stone. One Mans meat is another mans poison.
jobo
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im ofey with body buildibg technique,
and if for some reason yiu want masive thighs it may be ok, but he was probebly on steriods,, in which case anything works for him, but not for you
if your teying to develop strengh, then heavier less reps is where its at,
if your goibg formuscle growth, then time under tension is where its at, that load/ time, really only the last three reps make any differance, if your doing 20 reps that 17 youve wasted, you could just have done 12 with a heavier weight for more outcomes, or three slowly with a much bigger weight
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well i remember after a knee operation. I was doing a Tri set of warm up on bike,
Leg press 15+ reps
Lying leg curl 15+ reps
Calf raises 20+ reps
No fancy stuff i could not squat at that time. My legs blew up like balloons. High reps work for me. the steroid theory everyone says but Tom had the genetics. look at pictures of him as a young guy doing high rep squats.
steroids will not make you a champ. you still have to have the structure & genetics.
jobo
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a champ? at champ at what, thoose champs that can get away with it use steroid to be come champs,
in body building its the absokute norm, they have special classes for the natral guys, who look nothing like the juicing guys no matter what their genitics were, nothing at all.
it depends what your trainibg to achieve, if your goal is to lift 300 lb 20, then carry on
if its something else like squating 500lbs once, then your doing it wrong.
if your trying to rehabilitate an injury then lifting heavy is just stupid,
if your trying to grow muscle with out steriods, then 60 sec under tention is largely were its at, you could do 2 mins with a lesser weight or 4 mins with a light weight, or as i do 30 secs under max load ir idealy all 4, it really doesnt make a lot of differance to your muscle growth, but does to your strengh, but that is then dependent on how you measure strengh
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1: what is your experience of steroids?
2: if taking steroids was a route to being a Mr Olympia or a Professional Athlete we would all be champions. This is not the case why?
3: Genetics play a HUGE role in Bodybuilding & other sports!
4: TUT is good but you are not going to use a heavy load are you ? so you are contradicting yourself in your post. watch platz train then you will understand how he trains to failure. However Bill Pearl trained with very high volume & said do not train to failure, "leave some gas in the tank".
jobo
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body building isnt a sport, it a seriod competition, it isnt just not controled its actively encouraged, can you be mr Olympia with out a generic advantage, prrobebly not, can you be huge, just by taking steriods and hard work, absolutly you can, just about anyone but the most genticaly disadvantaged can achoeve that, your just quotibg steriod boys at me, find an athlete and take performance advice of him not druggies,
if your a fairly good athlete, then steriods will make you an exceptional athlete, good enough to be profesional,? quite possibly so, the margins are really tight, between regional class atheletes and Olympic atheletes, a few % gain and your in the team, if you cant run at all, it probebly wont make much differance, running is a skill in its own right, you need the basics..
its not that hard to cheat even now, and talkibg steriods at say 16 long before you get in cobtrooled competitions gives you a significant advantage going forward, even when your not taken them for years
_Simon_
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Hey @MetalBoar , no that wasn't judgemental nor pedantic at all, that was incredibly helpful and I really appreciate your thoughtful response!
Yes it's certainly something I've experimented alot with, and failure training, even in small amounts tends to mess up my system. Even doing myoreps (a form of rest-pause training) in which it is essentially bringing your initial activation set close to failure, then doing mini sets so that you are maximising on "effective reps" (those reps closer to full activation), I struggle even with that, as you're spending alot of time in that close to failure range, so I use those cautiously too!
But you do bring up a fantastic point regarding modulating volume and frequency. I'd say that if you are training regularly to failure, you simply can't keep a higher volume and/or frequency, there's always a trade off like you say.
I've also read many many studies regarding failure vs non-failure training, and whilst not an overbearing conclusion, it does seem that non-failure seems as beneficial, if not more productive due to less chance of overdoing the CNS and also mitigating injuries too. Especially with HST and what they're all about along with current research into the main mechanisms of hypertrophy (mechanical tension, metabolic stress, muscle damage if we want to include that as a third, not everyone does). Increasing tension over time (via progressive load over cycles), and also the metabolic components seem to have gathered more light of late as to an important contributor to hypertrophy.
And yeah many very knowledgable folk do say that it's not necessary to go to complete failure but 1-3 reps short is certainly enough to get the benefits associated with going to complete failure, along with saving any detrimental CNS burnout, fatigue, immune system issues, injury etc. I guess that's where I'm at, with knowing my body deeper and deeper each year I'm learning what is most beneficial for me and also mentally it's a big boost to go into a weight training session not having to go to my absolute limits every time. That can be hard to sustain haha..
But that's awesome, your insights are much appreciated! I will definitely keep that in mind, as I'm prioritising other training, this may be a viable way to balance all that. That being said I still come close to failure!
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Have always wanted to give this a go, yes I've heard it's absolutely brutal XD
isshinryuronin
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I weight train 3X/wk and do pretty much an all round workout: 10-12 exercises of 12-15 reps each set and repeat. Plus sit-ups. This takes just 45 minutes (minimal rest between sets) and so gives me a cardio workout as well. Goal is general fitness and muscle endurance. Not after any more bulk - at my age (going on 70) it's hard to do that anyway.
Used to do traditional old style Okinawan hojo undoo, but it got to be too intense for my age. Dojo karate workout is 2X/wk for 1.5 hrs each day. At home, I do sanchin kata with dynamic tension daily as well as getting up from my recliner numerous times a day to forage in the kitchen.
Used to do traditional old style Okinawan hojo undoo, but it got to be too intense for my age. Dojo karate workout is 2X/wk for 1.5 hrs each day. At home, I do sanchin kata with dynamic tension daily as well as getting up from my recliner numerous times a day to forage in the kitchen.
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jobo
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your still posting pictures if steriod boys
nobody in the world trains harder than Antony Joshua, any body with considerably bigger muscles than him is juicing unless they are an Olympic power lifter perhaps
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some bodyweight stuff
& you´re still trolling.
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maybe you should look at Bob Gadja & pHA Training. He wom Mr America with this. A form of circuit training but you avoid a pump alternating upper /Lower body exercises.
The Tight Tan Slacks of Dezso Ban: Bob Gajda and His Sequence System of Training - Norman Zale (1965) (ditillo2.blogspot.com)
The Tight Tan Slacks of Dezso Ban: Bob Gajda and His Sequence System of Training - Norman Zale (1965) (ditillo2.blogspot.com)
jobo
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im not trolling, you keep post pictures of you heroes, that are chemicaly assisted, why ? what are we goibg to gain from that, what are you going gain from idokisibg them ?
if you want to look anything like that all buy some peds
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you´re the one who mentions steroids all the time not me & i also asked you what is your experience of them ? no answer so therefor i can conclude you know nothing about them.
Weight training is not just for bodybuilders or "juiced up champs". weight training is the same for women too.
you even stated you would rather use a Bullworker sitting in your chair. GEEZE !
If that is not being stupid what is?
